Violence Escalates! France in Retreat!
SEVENTH NIGHT OF VIOLENCE IN PARIS IS WORST YET!
VIDEO HERE
As the violence continues to escalate in France, the attacks against Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy continue to increase as well. Sarkozy is one Frenchman who looked through the multiculturalist smoke from the exploding molotov cocktails to call the rioters "thugs". Therefore, it only makes sense to blame him for the torchings of schools, cars, malls and the toppling of a local police station.
Jacques Chirac continues to call for calm.
Gangs take Police Station! 177 vehicles burned! Shopping Center Torched!
Firemen confront a burning shopping center during clashes between French youth and riot police in Paris suburb of Aulnay sur Bois, early November 3, 2005, in a seventh night of rioting. Street fighting, sparked by the deaths of two teenagers electrocuted while apparently fleeing police during a local disturbance, spread to other parts of the poor suburbs ringing the capital to the north and the east. (Reuters)
The violence in Paris continues to escalate!
Rioting youths shot at police and torched 177 vehicles during overnight violence in Paris, officials say.Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin's government has promised to restore order but is battling to paper over differences between ministers over the best way to tackle the unrest.
Gangs briefly besieged a police station, set fire to a car dealership and threw petrol bombs at public buses.
At least 15 people were arrested and nine injured on a seventh consecutive night of violence in northern Paris.
Government ministers have held crisis talks and President Jacques Chirac has appealed for calm. Rioting began after two teenage boys died a week ago.
Firemen confront burning vehicles during clashes between French youth and riot police in Paris suburb of Aulnay sur Bois, early November 3, 2005, in a seventh night of rioting. Street fighting, sparked by the deaths of two teenagers electrocuted while apparently fleeing police during a local disturbance, spread to other parts of the poor suburbs ringing the capital to the north and the east. (Reuters)
Mosque leader prays for calm in the troubled suburbs:
The violence, which has spread to at least nine Paris-region towns, has exposed the anger in France's poor suburbs, some of them ghettos where police hesitate to venture despite evidence of being fertile terrain for Islamic extremists and criminal activity.
Leaders at Clichy-sous-Bois' mosque prayed for peace and asked parents to keep teenagers off the streets.
But on Wednesday night young people threw rocks at police in six suburbs in the Seine-Saint-Denis region north of Paris that includes Clichy, police said. About a dozen cars burned in the Le Blanc-Mesnil suburb and residents - some in bathrobes and slippers - poured into the streets to watch.
French riot police officers run past a burning truck in Paris suburb, Aulnay-sous-Bois, early Thursday, Nov. 3, 2005. For a seventh straight night, groups of youths set fire to cars and shops in at least nine towns northeast of the capital. (AP)
School set on fire!
The disturbances damaged a shopping center, car dealership and primary school as more than 1,000 police were deployed to quell the unrest, which was triggered last week by the deaths of two teenagers.Aljazeera has a timeline of the Paris events starting with Interior Minister Sarkozy declaring a "war without mercy" on violence in the suburbs back on October 19th.
Previous Paris Burning Posts:
Death of Immigrants Spark Riots in France
"Jacques Chirac Doesn't Care about Black People."
Mild Night of Paris Rioting as Police Garage, 11 Cars Torched!
Jacques Insists on Calm as Paris Descends into Quagmire
Why I like La Shawn Barber:
A growing problem in the West is not only our insane, suicidal embrace of “multiculturalism,” but an inability to recognize that militant Islam is an enemy intent on destroying freedom wherever it exists. Those Muslim rioters in Paris, angry about being unemployed or whatever their excuse, need to be crushed...Indeed!
Jihad Watch says France needs to better define the problem.
Ace of Spades calls them "Watts Riots, EU Style!"
Captain's Quarters says that "Muslims Try To Outdo Von Choltitz."
Meryl Yourish looks back at a Weekly Standard warning in 2002. Brilliant!
Southern Appeal looks at the cryptic news coverage.
Jamul Blog explains the consequences of French Policy.
Brussels Journal has advice on parking your car.
Charles Johnson joins Jacques Chirac and calls for calm.
The Anchoress answers the question, "What would Rudy do?"
Outside the Beltway notes that shots are being fired!
Update: (6:30 PM Thursday CST) Night 8- France Demands Calm! Rioters Take Up Arms!
posted by Gateway Pundit at 11/03/2005 04:02:00 AM
44 Comments:
Is Gen. Marcel Bigeard still alive? I seem to recall that he has a reputation for knowing how to deal with this kind of thing. Of course the problem with that is after one of his victories, all the French will have to leave the country... but do you want to win or not? I hate to feel this way, but I think there are only two courses in the fight against Islamofascism. Ensure that loyal Muslims are on your side early in the fight by empowering them, making them the voice of the Muslim community in your country, and ruthlessly pursuing the bad elements within their community. Don't attack the religion, attack the people who would attack you, and your potential allies within the religion. This helps the former outsiders become enfranchised in your society, and helps a non-violent, non-extremist element triumph over the violent extremists, who of course always have a leg up in this struggle - they can simply kill or intimidate peaceful Muslims. This theoretically prevents metastasization of the radical elements. The U.S. appears to be following this course of action, with pretty good success since 2001.
The other possibility is benign neglect, which is followed ineluctibly by a fight against the mestatsized radicalism. Instead of cutting the cancer out and identifying organic elements to fight a recurrence, it allows the cancer to grow unimpeded, in the hope that it will go into remission on its own, that perhaps the doctor's diagnosis was mistaken, or maybe it's just all a dream. This is the route France chose. Now its options include a sort of radical surgery - attempting to rein in large groups of extremists metastisized all over the country; or the equivalent of chemotherapy, a kulturkampf of sorts on Islam. Trying to cut out the extremists when you have the equivalent of the intifada could be fatal to France; they risk an armed revolution, or long term insurgency if they now attempt to isolate what has turned into a majority or large minority of the Muslim community and de-naturalize it, put it under surveillance, etc. The alternative is to simply have super-duper racial profiling, put all Muslims in france under intense scrutiny, and hope that you catch the ones most dangerous. The problem with this of course is that it is not a nice thing to do and could in fact encourage more radicalization. Such are the bad choices available when you choose to ignore the problem and hope it will go away.
A week of rioting in the capitol city of one of the top industrial countries is astounding.
I beg to differ with Anonymous - France is no longer a 'top industrial state'. They have ceded their leadership position in just about every category except for snobbery and delusion
Ya know, when they did this in Detroit in the late 60's, the cops, firemen, and national guard just backed off (the rioters were shooting at firemen), cordoned, and let the fires burn through the surrounding neighborhoods. After a couple of days, the national guard systematically moved through the rioting areas, arresting everyone and putting down the shooters. Effective tactics. Detroit has never recovered.
So far I still haven't figured out how the two boys got electricuted. The whole context of this story is hidden from the public. Did they break into a sub-station? Climb over the fence? How does this tie into the cops? Why is it the fault of the police that two boys got electricuted while running? If this story were reported "in context" then there should be no reason to riot. If, however, the police threw the kids into a transformer station and caused their deaths, then there's a reason to riot. I guess people just don't think these days, either that, or the people rioting were just looking for an excuse.
What is astounding is that none of the major "world news" services were reporting on this until they figured out a way to hide the fact that these are not poor, misunderstood "French" youths but are in fact a bunch of thugs from North Africa which is 90%+ Moslem.
I also note that the major "world news" services are not reporting on riots of a similar nature that are occuring in the UK, Denmark and Sweden.
Guess the American MSM hasn't figured out a way to blame it all on President Bush yet. When they do they will report on it.
Anyway...
What we are seeing is the beginning of a very long and bloody future for Europe. In 20 years western Europe will look more like Bosnia in the 1990's then the happy EUtopia they would like us to believe they are.
They have sown the wind, and now they are going to be reaping the whirlwind. Many of the ethnic Danes, Dutch, French are trying to emmigrate to avoid this. For example, the immigration rate of ethnic Dutch out of The Netherlands to Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand and even to the US are at an all time high. They see what is coming and are getting out while the getting is good.
They are Muslims. They don't need an excuse to riot.
Anon,
These boys were running from police (or thought were the police depending on which story you read) and tried to hide in an electrical substation where they were electrocuted.
The kids were running from police, as they were wanted for questioning in a robbery that had occured in the area. They climbed the fence and fell against a transformer and were electrocuted. A third teenager is in the hospital.
It amazes me that Paris cannot get a hold on the violence. Let it burn I say. They are only destroying their own neighborhoods.
Where is General Boulanger when the Frogs need him? Or Bonaparte's knack with a 'whiff of grape?'
Serious enough riots in Paris end French republics, and the Fifth Republic had better see the graffiti on the barracades.
There are two ways to deal with these riots, both of which require rather more stomach than I think the French government (or the French people, for that matter):
1. Call in the Army, especially the Foreign Legion, and clean house. Put down the rioting the way Napoleon did and the way the Commune was suppressed: overwhelming force applied relentlessly.
2. Erect a cordon sanitaire around these various Moslem suburbs, letting no one in or out. And leave them to their own devices to feed, clothe, and house themselves. Don't rebuild a thing. Anyone who wants to leave must then come out and be vetted, subject to deportation if they are not French citizens, or to imprisonment if they have committed crimes. The rest should be relocated to places where they can be watched closely by the authorities. (Well, that would all be unconstitutional here, but we're talking about France where there are no guarantees against the state).
Anon: "Ya know, when they did this in Detroit in the late 60's, the cops, firemen, and national guard just backed off (the rioters were shooting at firemen), cordoned, and let the fires burn through the surrounding neighborhoods." -- yep, until they ran in the Michigan National Guard. I have a friend who manned a .50 on an APC. When MNG was ordered in they were told to "fire when fired upon", which my friend translated into "hose the rooftops".
He says he still can see the bulletholes when he goes home.
Nothing wrong with Paris and Denmark that a bit of 7.62 Nato can't cure. Lock and load...
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La Shawn nails it. And perhaps what's happening in France can serve as a wakeup call to America -- runaway immigration policy doesn't work.
It's not a "melting pot," but rather a balkanization of society and culture that's ready to explode.
The laissez faire attitude has consequences -- and France will change its policies.
The guy above who doubted that the French were "industrial" any longer is wrong. They have the clear technological lead in the nuclear power industry both in Europe's electrical generating grid and in equipment manufacturing. In fact, Areva is making a big market penetration move into the US. US manufacturers are plainly worried since they got flabby after years of no new nukes.
High voltage electricity is plainly a western crusader tactic to destroy Islam. Rioting is the only possible response to this colonial tyranny. Riot, brothers! Fight the power! This is not France, this is Eurabia!
What amazes me is that the EUlites are blaming the riots on (drum roll please)... lack of social services.
You see, these poor rioters are "underserved." That's the real problem here.
How soon 'til France surrenders?
Sarkozy fired in. . . four, three, two. .
And waiting far off in the background, for just the right moment. . . Le Pen!
Europe just goes round and round in circles. Same 'ol thing. How tiresome. May the entire continent: from the Islamofascists on the one end to the old school fascists on the other, all seal their fate together.
"1. Call in the Army, especially the Foreign Legion, and clean house."
I believe that the Legionaires are banned from operating on mainland France.
anonymous said the Foreign Legion is banned from operating in metroplitan France. Historically, that was true prior to the fall of Algeria, except in wartime. The "foreign" part of "foreign legion" really refers to the foreigners who make up most of its ranks rather than to "foreign" service. I don't think there's any current prohibition on actions in metropolitan France.
Besides, there are two distinct advantages to using the legion:
1. If there is any French unit feared by the Moslems, it is the legion.
2. I'm sure the legion would like another go at the Moslems after the humiliation in Algeria.
Wow. I'm dazzled at the erudition of several of the commentators in this thread, particularly Al Maviva. Well put.
To a great degree, the violence is contained. I think most people forget how large Paris and its environs are and how parochial its neighborhoods. This is the equivalent of rioting in Brooklyn not really affecting Manhattan and Westchester County. In fact, as the novels of Michel Houellebecq point out, these areas have been separate 'no-go' ghettoes for decades; they certainly were when I lived in Paris in the 80s. Most Parisians will view these events with a shrug. 'Let them foul their own nests'.
As for the Danish riots; 40 or so kids in Aarhus smashing shop windows isn't exactly an intifada.
However, that doesn't detract from the correct perception that this may be the opening salvo in a long European civil war. I sincerely hope not. None of these nations, except perhaps the Dutch and the Brits, have shown many signs that they'd be willing to win it. One of the things we have discovered about fellow- NATO forces in Afghanistan is that their ranks are filled with Muslims, many of whom enjoy relationships with their non-Muslim officers that mirrors those of present-day Paris.
The problem France faces is not the riots but the aftermath.
Liberals on the Kerner Commission (which was commissioned to investigate the causes of the US race riots of '64-'67), blamed evil racist white people.
They recommended massive Federal spending, and social programs which did absolutely nothing for the ghettoes except turn them into welfare junkies, an now you see the result: a deserted, burned-out Detroit that no decent human being will live in.
The reason the youth are revolting is not because things are bad, but because things are so good. They do not have to work for a living, nor provide for families.
Eric Hoffer was the first to recognize that revolutions and riots do not happen in destitute countries but in countries that are well off, or at least looking much better (and more hopeful) than they were just a few years before.
It is improving conditions and hope that cause people to get uppity and riot, not despair. it is the fact that things are getting better, and better, not worse and worse, that makes people riot for a suddden and massive improvement.
The French are as tainted with Liberals as America was 40 years ago, so their soon-to-be Riot Commission will probably recommend massive spending. If so, all is doomed. Paris will look like Detroit or Newark, or East St. Louis in forty years.
What they SHOULD do is cut off all welfare and offer free transportation back to Algeria for those who cannot find work.
For those who want to stay, if they cannot find work, put them to work cleaning streets in orange suits, like the Russians used to do with juvenile delinquents. Make them clean up their own neighborhoods and burned out buildings.
Make it clear that there is no free lunch for violent immigrant blacks and Muslims, and that they can always leave.
Brennt Paris?
Bestimmt, mein Osama!
I lived in France for several years and know the landscape politically is chockablok with ridiculous non-sequiturs. Now, it appears the appeasement wing of this cowardly republic is trying to blame its stand-up Interior Minister Sarkozy of inciting the rioters.
As if these drug-crazed thugs care about anything except vengeance for their own sorry plight.
The feminized degenerate Villepin wrings his hands that the government should not "stigmatize" the rioters.
I predict that Sarkozy will benefit from the remaining pool of common sense and self-defence in the French political DNA.
Jean-Marie Le Pen showed that there is a strong constituency that does not buy into the Cartesian impotence of the Villepiners and the Socialists.
My guess is that Sarkozy will be a pro-American President of France three years from now.
And it didn't even take a hurricane.
Anyone know the French word for "schadenfreude"?
Must say I'm enjoying the show. Hope it oontinues for a while longer.
I'm from a city near Detroit, and the riots were terrible. Beyond belief, far more deadly than what we're seeing in Paris.
But it merely accelerated the decline of what was once one of the great cities in America. Detroit is the only U.S. City ever to reach one million in population, and then drop below. That happened right around the time of the riots. But the population was in serious decline before the riots, and had peaked at 1.6 million in the late 1940s.
The economy of Michigan is probably the closest to France's you'll find in the U.S.. Unions are very strong, and remain strong, because of the auto industry. As union jobs priced themselves out of the marketplace, jobs went south and thousands of workers went unemployed. That made it difficult to revitalize Detroit after the riots (they've made numerous, sometimes comical, attempts). Detroit is now almost 90% black (anyone who could afford to leave, left), and has a crime rate beyond belief.
To those who I've talked to growing up, they say the riots weren't necessarily racial. Yes, it was a black area, and yes, the black people were burning everything they could find. But it was more just an outpouring of general anger about conditions in the city, and a misplaced notion that this would get the ignored black neighborhoods attention. A lot of anger, a hot summer and the fact that a child prefers being bad to being ignored.
Are European Muslims facing the same problems blacks faced in America during the civil rights era? I don't think so. There isn't the long-standing negative history in Paris. Where is all this anger coming from? Why do these people hate France so much? What in the hell is going on in these mosques? It certainly can't be prayer.
I think the French need to go in there with troops and clear the streets by any means necessary. Detroit's fate should not serve as a warning - that fate was sealed long before the riots and the two situations are similar only in a few areas.
They hate the french for the same reason thet hate americans...we don't know that they hate us!
One would have to be a fool not to see the hate in the African people. That is why I believe we, in America, should stop using the word “Racism” and simply use the word hate. That would even the playing field and then we would truly see, who is hating who and who is actually trying to help others.
It was easy to bombard Belgrade because of the very same muslims and things they did only packed by media in other way and for 5 years? Well France, meet “your poor, naive and undefended muslims”you were defending and meet them from the first hand. They are lovely are they? I am sorry to inform you but you have already lost your country and it's only question of time. I cannot say I care as you didn't care for us.
America started this Multiculturalist non-sense. It's an American export, (and the only thing we export nowadays), and France took it up as its good.
America, with the jews invented this "racism" Abrahamic bullshit that has completely eunicized the west. This is exactly what would be happening in America if 1000s of non-whites decided to riot for 11 straight days. So f--k all you, "France is weak" pussies, you are American, and therefore the originators of the weak. I live in America but have a thousand times more respect for "anti-semitic" European countries. In the next American war against European "anti-semites" I will aid Magog/Europe, I will undermine "my" country. I welcome occupation by non-jewish Russians.
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CAPITALISME ENGEANDRABT COMMUNISME ENGEANDRANT HAINE BREF TOUT CE QUI ARRIVE EST DELA FAUTE A PERSONNE EN SOMME
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Who dude, dont blame americans for the traitorous acts of jews. We fight against the jews here and thats 10000% more than i can say for you euro-queers. You let them pass laws so you could NOT stand against them now you are fucked. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW WEAK WHITE EUROPEANS.
So I took a map of the world and colored it in according to race down to the neighborhood level. I took a duplicate map and colored it in according to degrees of civilization/murder rate/birth rate/IQ/Crime/Economic Growth/Scientific Achievment/Justice. I then overlayed the one over the other. Guess what I learned?
The truth is before you. The future is clear. You can change it, or you can ignore it in the name of political correctness.
My advice to Frenchmen, you see someone with a molitov coctail, shoot him, and if he's still wiggling send him back to the African SHIT-HOLE whence he came. Then he can learn what injustice, poverty and all around shitty living is all about.
Really people, they will outbreed you in 2 or 3 generations and the whole world will go to shit. They will continue to breed until the crops run out, then they will eat every donkey, cat, bird, snake, bug, bladed of grass, eachother.. until the earth is nothing but a scared relic of a once proud civilization of humans.
Letting them burn Paris unmolested, Frenchman should be ashamed.
France is classic example of a weak liberal government in a time of national crisis. From the pathetic reaction of Chirac to them even more pathetic cries of the even more liberal opposition party. It's time to send in the Foreign Legion and the military and crush the rioters. Yes! ... brutally crush them ...Tienimen Square their asses now!
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