Busted! Cindy Sheehan's Story Hits a Snag!
** Updates Below **
Big Hat Tip to Bob in St. Louis
On Tuesday, April 11, 2006, Cindy Sheehan wrote:
* Her son arrived in California in a cardboard box
* Her son was carried over to the dock by a forklift
* Her mortuary refused to pay the cemetery
* Her son was treated as an over-sized piece of luggage
But... Now we know none of this is true!
April 4, 2006 marked two years since Army Specialist Casey A. Sheehan was killed on a mission in Iraq. It has been two years since his death and despite the fact that the government would pay for a headstone for Casey, Casey does not have a headstone. Michelle Malkin got around to asking Cindy about this at a March protest.
Last week Cindy wrote on why her son's grave is left unmarked. World Net Daily reported Cindy's response:
I will tell the world why Casey has no marker yet. In the first place, does anyone who is attacking me know how Casey was brought home from Iraq? We picked him up in the United loading dock in a cardboard box and he was off-loaded into a hearse without one honor guard. We had to wait for about a half hour on a curb near the United freight area for his one escort, who rode from Dover Air Force Base in a seat, while Casey was treated as an over-sized piece of luggage. Has anybody held her other sobbing children who are sitting on a curb in San Francisco, waiting for the remains of their big brother to be carried over to the dock by a forklift?Cindy’s story would be heart wrenching and revolting...
WE don't see them because Mama Bush doesn't want to "bother her pretty mind" with the images... Our government discards and dishonors its own.
If it were true!
After making a couple of calls, I talked with MAJ OCPA Nathan Banks at the Pentagon’s Department of Media Relations who was very helpful. This is what I found out:
Cardboard boxes are never use to transfer soldiers!Here is more on the Official and Unclassified Department of Defense Policy on moving servicemembers killed overseas:
"Crates" have not been used since Vietnam. Fallen soldiers today are moved in steel or aluminum caskets to their home of record (hometown). Further, the escort inspects the casket when it is unloaded. Since arrangements are made before each fallen soldier arrives to their home of record, the military would be shocked to hear that a forklift was used.
The Department of Defense policy is that all remains of servicemembers killed overseas during contingency operations will enter the United States via the Port Mortuary at Dover AFB. Once they go through the mortuary, they are transported to their final destination via commercial airlift or by hearse if within close distance to Dover AFB.Much thanks to MAJ OCPA Nathan Banks at the Pentagon for this information.
Before any remains leave Dover, port mortuary personnel coordinate with the receiving funeral home to arrange that the remains will be met at their final destination. We've arranged transport for over 2300 OEF and OIF casualties. In every case, the transport was arranged in advance and the funeral home was available to receive the remains.
Remains traveling from Dover may be escorted by either a service member, or in some cases, members of the deceased family to the final destination, at a minimum a military escort accompanies the remains to the final destination. Typically, the escort carries the U.S. flag during the flight, and the flag is draped over the casket upon arrival and during transportation to the funeral home. Our normal policy is to have a small honor guard render military honors as the remains of the deceased service member are taken off the plane.
Army Statement:
"The Army ensures that the remains of our fallen are treated with dignity and respect at every step of their journey home. Our dead are transported to Dover Air Force Base at which point families make known their desires for final arrangements. In order to expeditiously meet the needs of our families, the Army typically uses domestic airlines and the local mortuary meets the plane at the airport. These are the same arrangements that mortuaries use when transporting the remains of civilians. Later at the memorial service and funeral, the Army extends its final tribute to the Soldier and continued condolences to their kin."
DoD Response:
Q: What is the policy on transporting the bodies of soldiers killed overseas?
A: DoD policy is that all remains of servicemembers killed overseas during contingency operations will enter the United States via the Port Mortuary at Dover AFB. Once they go through the mortuary, they are transported to their final destination via commercial airlift or by hearse if within close distance to Dover AFB .
Q: Do all of them come through Dover first?
A: Yes, the port mortuary is the first stop in CONUS for all remains coming from OEF and OIF. (The procedural guidance has not changed about going to meet the remains of loved ones at the mortuary in Dover. We military continues to discourage families to go to the mortuary.)
Q: Is it policy to put the bodies on commercial flights once they arrive in the U.S.?
A: Yes, remains departing the port mortuary at Dover will be transported by commercial flight. Before any remains leave Dover, port mortuary personnel coordinate with the receiving funeral home to arrange that the remains will be met at their final destination.
Q: Does it depend on the area? It seems, in this case, that a military flight to San Diego shouldn't have been too difficult to find.
A: The final destination of servicemember remains is not a factor. We've arranged transport for over 2300 OEF and OIF casualties. In every case, the transport was arranged in advance and the funeral home was available to receive the remains.
Q: Is there concern that transporting the bodies in this way is seen as disrespectful?
A: Not at all disrespectful, commercial airlines have historically been able to bring our fallen heroes home more quickly than if moved aboard military airlift. This method of transport is the same as that used to transport civilian remains, with the difference that in every case, the grieving family has the assistance of a casualty assistance officer and the port mortuary ensures that the remains are met.
Q: Do they all have an escort from Dover home?
A: Yes, either a service member, or in some cases, members of the deceased family may escort the remains to the final destination.
Q: What is DoD policy for escort of remains?
A: There is specific policy that each military service has requiring an escort from Dover AFB to the final destination. Each case is handled separately. In most cases, the remains travel in a transport case designed to protect the casket.
Q: Do the caskets arrive with a flag?
A: Yes, the escort typically carries the flag during the flight, and the flag is draped over the casket upon arrival and during transportation to the funeral home.
Q: What is the role of the casualty assistance officer with regard to the transport of the remains, does he get it to the funeral home, etc.?
A: A Mortuary Affairs Officer assists the family by coordinating the movement of the deceased person from the Dover AFB Port Mortuary to the funeral home the family will use. Both the Mortuary Affairs Officer and the Dover AFB Port Mortuary staff coordinate with the receiving funeral director.
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Casey Sheehan, your sacrifice is not forgotten. Rest in Peace.
Update 1: (Tuesday 4:00 PM CST) Bob in St. Louis wrote in with this news...Via Lucianne...
The Vacaville funeral home owner is very upset!
From the The Reporter from Vacaville, California:
A Vacaville funeral home owner took exception to "Peace Mom" Cindy Sheehan's allegation that his mortuary did not fulfill its duties after her son Casey was killed in Iraq in 2004.Update 2: (4:45 PM CST) I just got off the phone with Steve Nadeau from the Nadeau Funeral Home in Vacaville, California.
In her blog last week, Sheehan wrote that the mortuary had refused to pay the cemetery as it was supposed to. Steve Nadeau, the mortuary's owner, said Monday that not only did he properly pay the cemetery, but that he subsidized the process with his own money.
In an e-mail sent to The Reporter Sunday, Nadeau expressed hurt and disbelief at Sheehan's comments. He said that the amount of money the military gave the mortuary for Casey's funeral service and cemetery arrangements didn't even come close to covering the costs.
"Several kind citizens made donations," said Nadeau. "I absorbed the rest."
This was not the only way in which he went above and beyond his responsibilities following Casey's death, said Nadeau. He also provided a stretch limousine and a driver at his expense, he said, and invited the family to go to the airport with him so that he could accompany them. None of this was required, said Nadeau.
"Having known the Sheehan family for many years through St. Mary's Catholic Church where Ms. Sheehan had previously been the youth director, it was my desire to provide care and dignity to Casey and the family. I did this in every respect."
Nadeau said the military provided his mortuary $5,736 in funding to pay for the funeral service and cemetery arrangements. The funding came in May 2004, said Nadeau, and he paid the cemetery as soon as the costs had been totaled and the donations received.
In a phone call Monday, Sheehan stood by her allegations.
The Nadeau Funeral Home has a fine tradition of serving the Vacaville community and they went out of their way to make sure that the Sheehans were well taken care of during the difficult period when they had to bury their son, Casey.
Nadeau Funeral Home has also helped two other families of fallen soldiers. They work hard to help these suffering families of fallen soldiers.
Mr. Nadeau is very upset about the article that Cindy Sheehan wrote regarding the Nadeau Funeral Home in Vacaville, California. He also said that the funeral home is being inundated with calls of support from the community since the article was published. Mr. Nadeau said he wrote The Reporter in Vacaville but the paper did not publish most of the information that he had provided. Here is that information...
When questioned about the casket:
"The casket arrived in San Francisco from Dover which is 67 miles from Vacaville. Sacramento would not have been as far. The casket was a beautiful hardwood casket, government regulation. It was covered in an "airtray" to protect it during the flight. It is a certified covering that all caskets must be covered in when they are flown from one location to another.What about the forklift?
"There was no forklift. The military men present and the airport employees were very reverent in unloading the casket of this young man. They set the casket on a set of rollers and were very respectful in unloading Casey Sheehan."On the Sheehan Family:
This was very upsetting because we have known the Sheehan's for years through St. Mary's Catholic Church where Cindy Sheehan was the youth director. Casey Sheehan was a wonderful young man. We have known the family for years.On Cindy's article:
We do not know why she would want to bring down the name of this fine and respected funeral home. Cindy is sticking with her story. We have, of course, kept all of the receipts that show we paid the cemetery. If Cindy Sheehan wanted to pick on someone, she picked the wrong ones.Zombie has the latest photos of Cindy speaking at a communist sponsored function in California.
California Conservative has more on the peace mother.
Charles Johnson says if this doesn’t completely discredit Mama Moonbat, nothing will.
It looks like that prediction at Op-For is panning out.
74 Comments:
I wonder if the media will correct her? Doubt it.
As long as a lie can be used against the military or Bush, it is not only acceptable, but encouraged by the Left. These people are the gravest danger ever to the United States, and must be stopped. By any means necessary, to borrow an expression.
As long as a lie can be used against the military or Bush, it is not only acceptable, but encouraged by the Left. These people are the gravest danger ever to the United States, and must be stopped. By any means necessary, to borrow an expression.
I am going to save this quote, Racist Knight, for the next time that Jim tells us that the good Republican Party understands that Islamofacist terrorism is the greatest threat to America, while the Left thinks the greatest threat is Bush and the Republicans.
The people who don't understand the threat are the Republicans like yourself. There are terrorists who want to KILL us out there and Racist Knight thinks people like Cindy Sheehan are the greatest threat to this country.
America can only lose this war if we lose the will to fight it. Cindy and her contemptible ilk are doing their best to ensure that outcome.
No wonder Michael Moore has taken mother sheehan under his wing...she lies trhough her teeth to destroy America's reputation jsut like he does!
To think that US soldiers die to defend the very freedom that gives those lefty-ass-holes the right to spit venom against the USA from every soap box they can find, is simply revolting.
Revolting.
The left is giving so much resolve to islamic terrorists that some say it is border line treasonous, I say it is treasonous.
I'd like to see those lefty-ass-holes live under Islamic rule in some medieval country like Iran or Afghanistan for a couple of months and see if they still think Bush, Republicans and the USA in general are so bad...
When I visit lefty blog sites I see so much hate coming from the left - never mind the ludicrous conspiracy theories - that it bugles the mind...How is it possible to hate so much?
And to lefties lying is justified because in their warped paranoid mind everyone around them is out to get them, everyone - from Walmart to the Pentagone - is evil, conspiring and lying...
... ... ...
Take a look at these facts;
" [...]As of mid-2005, fewer than 50 deaths were attributed to radiation from the [Chernobyl]accident – that’s according to a report, entitled “Chernobyl’s Legacy: Health Environmental and Socio-Economic Impacts,” produced by an international team of 100 scientists working under the auspices of the United Nations. Almost all of those 50 deaths were rescue workers who were highly exposed to radiation and died within months of the accident.
So far, there have been about 4,000 cases of thyroid cancer, mainly in children. But except for nine deaths, all of those with thyroid cancer have recovered[...]"
You would think an international team under the UN umbrella would satisfy the left? well now take a look at this;
"[...] Despite the UN report, the anti-nuclear mob hasn’t given up on Chernobyl scaremongering.
According to a March 25 report in The Guardian (UK), Greenpeace and others are set to issue a report around the 20th anniversary of the accident claiming that at least 500,000 people may have already died as a result of the accident[...]"
Now if that is not lying, then I don't know what is.
Despicable lefties.
(The excerpts are from Steven Milloy's "Twenty years after Chernobyl".)
Dave in NYC, in your zeal to slam the entire Republican party, you put Templar Knight in the position of speaking for the ENTIRE Republican party. That is nonsense.
I will say this about TK's comment: the only way we lose this war is to quit. I think we all know on which side of the political spectrum the vast majority of 'cut and runners' reside. And no Dave, that doesn't mean I want to hang anyone who doesn't agree with me.
As for Cindy Sheehan: maybe she figures if she's going to prostitute her son, she may as well lie about him, too.
Whoa, Dave is going to save a quote. Scary stuff there, Dave. And where in the hell do you get racist knight? Am I a racist because I criticize the Left?
You are the typical leftist, Dave. If all else fails, call your opponent a racist. You are pathetic.
And by any means necessary is nothing more than a send up of Malcolm X and his ilk. I can just see Dave criticizing his boy Malcolm. And I am not a Republican. Never have been, never will.
And one other thing, Dave, if you are so sure there are terrorists out there wanting to kill us, then why the hell are you and the Left supporting them with your rhetoric and perhaps more.
No, your concern is not terrorists, but getting rid of Bush, no matter the cost to the US or our military. That is why you and your ilk are such a grave danger to the US.
If anyone has pictures of Casey's casket coming home, then we should publish them to prove Cindy wrong. She should have known her statement could be easily disproven. It's no wonder her family disowned her.
Dave in NYC, in your zeal to slam the entire Republican party, you put Templar Knight in the position of speaking for the ENTIRE Republican party.
No, I realize that not all Republicans are like him. But a lot of Republicans *are* like him. Fact is, people who would rather score political points than defeat terrorism exist on both sides of the aisle. I acknowledge that. Gatewaypundit Jim thinks they only exist on the left.
And where in the hell do you get racist knight? Am I a racist because I criticize the Left?
You're a racist because you have made numerous racist comments on the issue of immigration.
And one other thing, Dave, if you are so sure there are terrorists out there wanting to kill us, then why the hell are you and the Left supporting them with your rhetoric and perhaps more.
I don't support them - not with rhetoric or anything else. Why would you think I do? Just because I don't worship George W. Bush or hate Hispanics like you do?
I will also add this: I have no idea whether Cindy Sheehan is telling the truth and none of you do either. I hope she's not, but I'm not going to accuse her of lying without proof. And the word of the government just isn't enough proof for me these days. Just because the Army tells you something, you automatically believe it?
Procedures for handling military dead are not exactly top secret. Unless Casey's body was singled out for disrespect, Cindy's version is false.
If anyone has shown disrespect for the sacrifice of Casey Sheehan, it is not the military or the government.
Dave in NYC, I don't know whether Cindy Sheehan is a liar or not. I suspect she is, but I know you are a liar.
So now, if you are against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, you are a racist. Well, I'm against it. And that doesn't make me a racist. You have now entered the realm of Al Sharpton, Dave. You are truly pathetic.
So now, if you are against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, you are a racist. Well, I'm against it. And that doesn't make me a racist. You have now entered the realm of Al Sharpton, Dave. You are truly pathetic.
No, Racist Knight, if you accuse all Hispanics of being illegal immigrants, and if you accuse all people who march in support of immigrants of being illegal immigrants, then you are a racist.
Do you want me to go back and find the quotes? It won't be hard. I already effortlessly proved you wrong on another thread last night. Do you enjoy being wrong all the time?
It appears Dave isn't a very smart guy so he's gotta throw out the race card. He doesn't think that Cindy Sheehan is lying even though military protocol on this issue is very transparent. On the other hand, he KNOWS bush lied and people died! His personal savior and jesus christ michael moore told him so! and there isn't a threat only the eeeevil republikkkan cabal. Oh yeah and let's not forget the Jews too!
double daggers, you obviously know nothing about me. For your information, I am Jewish and proud of it. You are out of your league here, so go play your pathetic anti-Semitism card somewhere else.
"If you accuse all Hispanics of being illegal immigrants, then you are a racist".
Fetch 'em up, Dave. I didn't accuse all Hispanics of being illegal immigrants that I know of, but if I did, that still doesn't make me a racist. Hispanics are not a race. They are a myriad of races, from Caucasian to African. You are wrong again, Dave, as usual. Your definition is your own, hardly worthy of my concern, or anyones for that matter.
A few weeks ago, there was an article that said Hispanic students raised a Mexican flag at a school in Arizona. You repeatedly accused the students of being illegal immigrants even though the article only said they were Hispanics. In fact, you said "piss on these illegals." I gave you several opportunities to back down from this claim, and you did not take them.
You also incorrectly claimed that having illegal immigrants for parents was the same thing as being an illegal immigrant yourself, which is false. You also asserted that almost all Mexicans are here illegally--also false.
The link is right here. Took me about 2 minutes to find it.
The concept of race is basically meaningless from a biological perspective to begin with, so I won't argue that Hispanics are a race. However, there don't need to be "races" for there to be racists. You're living proof.
But if you want to dispute the semantics, fine. Forget I called you a racist. You're a feeble-minded bigot. And, as usual, you are wrong.
Well Dave, its good to know you weren't painting with such a broad brush.
As for Cindy Sheehan: I'll take my chances believing the United States government.
I've got a question and a statement for templar knight and dave in nyc.
templar knight-If you are jewish why do you go by the name of templar knight? I'm not asking to slam you or anything, I'm just curious. I'm sure you have a good reason.
dave in nyc-Although I disagree with you on just about everything you write, but I've got to hand it to you, you put up a hell of a debate!
Thanks, Bob. Based on some of your comments on this site, your views probably are not as different from mine as you think. (by the way, I think you are confused - I am the Jewish one, Templar Knight hasn't said anything on the subject of religoin)
I am probably going to leave Mr. Knight alone for a while - although arguing with someone like him can be fun, it is ultimately a waste of everyone's time.
Uh, Dave, I am not feeble-minded. Not even people who really know me have ever referred to me as that. As for bigot, well, that's your opinion. Which won't buy you a cup of coffee where I come from.
As for the post in question, I will admit I was a little excited that day, seeing as how treason and disrespect for our country does tend to rub me the wrong way. But being from NYC, you probably see it every day.
Bob, one of my ancestors was a Knight Templar. I am a Christian, although hardly perfect. And for the third time, irregardless of what Dave says, I am not a Republican.
Thanks for the comments guys. Sorry, I got templar and dave in nyc mixed up on the jewish comment.
Interesting about your ancestor being a knight templar since their history goes back hundreds of years.
Thank you for setting the issue straight. Unfortunately, Ms. Sheehan has become a symbol for people with leftist leanings, which is horribly unfair to those liberals who do not lie, cheat and steal.
The truth of the matter is that we need more truth on the matter, not people distorting the facts for their own personal interests. Unfortunately, the media does not correct people from either side when they lie. We live in a day and age where people get paid to tell other people on CNN what we blogged about today. This is not the indepth responsible reporting of yesteryear. We no longer appear to have Edward R. Morrow's among us.
While I realize I may be flamed for saying this, I am a military spouse and I am a liberal. I question the reasons why we went to war, but I feel that we have a duty to clean up our messes.
I question why we have generals coming out saying that our soldiers needs haven't been met, because with the Navy's new policies, my husband may very well be facing Iraq up close and personal, rather than guarding oil platforms in the Gulf and if he and his people aren't given access to the best resources our gov't can provide, I take issue with it.
Unfortunately, I think people from both sides of the political spectrum have become too entrenched in their own rhetoric to meet in the middle and realize that you can support our troops and not support our reasons for war. You can have complex ideas about what is going on in this country and the issues confronting it. We need to all sit down at the table again, like our founding fathers did, and draft a national agenda that may not completely satisfy everyone, but that rings of truth, integrity and hope for all Americans.
People like Sheehan need to step aside, because they are preventing rational discussion on the issues.
Lyle (4:47) is correct about the protocol. Here's a link to one such example:
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2004/04/taking_chance.html
The funeral owner is also disputing Cindy's claims. Read the article here:
http://www.thereporter.com/news/ci_3722877
FEMILSPOU ;-),
First, THANK YOU for your husband's active service, and you for standing by him. Your sacrifice of stress, lonliness, and other hardships are valiant service in themselves.
Having said that, I'm a Navy Reservist and my unit is "threatened" with mobilization all the time. It's folly - we're in the Service to serve, and we're all volunteers. And please know that with only ONE exception my whole unit believes is the morality and justice of the mission; long-term protection of the United States and Freedom and Liberty for 26 million opressed people. We weren't "lied" to about the justification - the WMD were there and we ALL knew it at the time (how long did we frog around in the UN before launch?)
Its simply convenient too to forget that the operation had a 72% approval going in, and we short-term, me-first Americans fell off fast when SHOCK! war is tough sometimes.
Bob, thank you for your interest in the Knights Templar. There is a website(www.templarhistory.com) that you can go to if you find the story of the Knights Templar to be interesting.
I trace my ancestry through my French linage to our historical ancestral home in Rheims, France. Of course, you are probably well aware that one of the kings of France, King Philip IV along with the Pope, was complicit in the destruction of the Templars as a political and military force.
Feminist Military Spouse, I respect your rationally presented viewpoint. I hope you do recognize the need to finish what our military started or we'll have even a worse mess for them to take care of next time. At this point, I am supportive of the effort because of my faith in people worldwide- including Arabs- to be able to be democratic, after a fashion. Maybe not a democracy like you or I would want to live in, but it would be their democracy.
And the primary way that democracy is brought to life is- unfortunately- through force of arms. And people like you and your spouse take the brunt of that, by choice.
Christ guys...nobody cares.
You don't have to believe the government on the transport and care of Casey Sheehan. You can definetly take the word of the Funeral director. I've never heard of any Soldier's body being shown disrespect by anyone except the lunitic leftie that protest at a lot of funerals. The she devil of the left has shown total disrespect for her son and has lied all over the world. She's enjoying her 15 minutes of fame (the hell with her son) and will be dumped on as soon as the looney left is done with her.
I've never heard of any Soldier's body being shown disrespect by anyone except the lunitic leftie that protest at a lot of funerals.
Protesting at funerals? Can you provide some examples of this deplorable behavior?
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with exposing a lie (or a delusion), but I question the vehemence and pleasure with which some here attack Ms. Sheehan as well as the efforts to associate all liberals and all critics of the war with her views.
If not for Jim's many posts on the subject, I would never have heard about most of Sheehan's antics or comments in the first place. As I've said before, I care more about the actions of people with real power and influence than those without.
And I think disrespecting the bodies of soldiers while they are alive is worse than disrespecting them after they've died.
The problem, Dave in NYC, is that Cindy Sheehan carries the banner for the anti-war Left. She is celebrated by every activist group and has been embraced by the media, but this is yet another incident that calls her credibility - and theirs - into question.
You insist that none of us know the truth, and that you tend to disbelieve the government. But as the evidence mounts, her version looks like politically motivated mendacity, and those who believe her look like gullible fools.
The problem, Dave in NYC, is that Cindy Sheehan carries the banner for the anti-war Left.
I don't know - she may be a useful symbol for some anti-war groups but there are many anti-war figures who offer more reasoned and substantive critiques of the war than Sheehan does.
But as the evidence mounts, her version looks like politically motivated mendacity
Like I said, it seems like she's either lying or delusional. Given the state of mind that must accompany losing a son, I would not rule out the latter.
I do credit Gatewaypundit for placing some phone calls and trying to get answers here. I wish he would follow up on his questions in that way more often.
The problem, Dave in NYC, is that Cindy Sheehan carries the banner for the anti-war Left.
Actually, reading your post again, I'm not even sure what this means. What does it mean to "carry the banner for the anti-war Left". Does it actually entail power or influence over policy? Do you think that "carrying the banner for the anti-war Left" makes someone the "gravest danger ever to the United States"?
By the way, Dave in NYC, if you didn't click on the link to Cindy's headstone excuse, by all means do so. The words 'needless elaborations of a bad liar' spring to mind.
Is it really difficult to understand 'carry the banner for the anti-war Left'? The woman makes speeches and personal appearances from Hawaii to New York City, on college campuses coast to coast. She has appeared on hundreds of news broadcasts and in thousands of articles. She's a symbol and a celebrity.
But I sympathize, Dave. It must suck to be so easily scammed.
Suggestion:
Act indignant, move the goalposts.
Lyle, I'll repeat my questions:
Does it actually entail power or influence over policy? Do you think that "carrying the banner for the anti-war Left" makes someone the "gravest danger ever to the United States"?
How was I scammed? I'm not anti-war, and I never said I believed Sheehan. I even said I hoped she was lying.
Cindy Sheehan is insane. Her behavior has caused her husband to file for divorce, she ignores the pleas of her living children that she please come home and be there for them... every word out of her mouth is a lie.
CNN had a graph saying that almost 80% of illegals are Hispanic (with like 50% being from Mexico). Therefore it is acceptable to assume that 3/4 of these pro-illegal-alien marchers are Hispanic. That's why most of the flags you see are Mexican.
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Dave asked:
Protesting at funerals? Can you provide some examples of this deplorable behavior?
This is, indeed, a deplorable tactic of the left and has been extensively covered.
One EXTREMELY small example:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/12/060312122104.pgrezzqi.html
You might also care to do a Google search for "protests at Iraq veterans funerals". You'll find 921,000 results.
Indeed, you'll find that this is a significant enough issue that Congress is considering legislation to restrict the practice.
Far better known of course, is the disgusting tactic of Code Pinks to heckle soliders returning to the Walter Reed medical center, with their taunts and cardboard coffins.
Sorry Dave,
I see that Blogger cut off my URL.
Here's a Tiny:
http://tinyurl.com/hfage
Well I do know that a crazy religious fanatic called Fred Phelps protests at soldiers funerals.Know why? Because God is punishing the U.S.A for tolerating homosexuality. I also know that some bitches from Code Pink protest outside Walter Reed also. FEMINSPOUS is probably the more rational of folks here. I'm a Desert Storm vet and a democrat and I think 43 is almost as bad of a president as Carter was. There bad in different ways Carter was timid and 43 is reckless. Sheehan is lying about the cardbord box however. That doesn't happen and as everyone knows burial duty by the military is always done with respect and dignity. The fallen servicemembers escort wouldn't put up with it being done any other way.Period.
Yup, that notorious lefty Fred Phelps is at it again :-)
CNN had a graph saying that almost 80% of illegals are Hispanic (with like 50% being from Mexico). Therefore it is acceptable to assume that 3/4 of these pro-illegal-alien marchers are Hispanic.
Most illegals are probably Hispanic, but that doesn't mean all Hispanics are illegal or even that most Hispanics are illegal.
You might want to brush up on your logic.
I can tell you, having been right there with my husband as he served as a CACO on a death notification to a widow and having gone with him over the following months as we helped the widow arrange for the burial and helped her family plan the funeral and settle his estate, families are offered the choice of a wood or metal casket and the funeral home is invoiced.
Great care is taken to explain everything clearly to the family and to deal with the sensitively in their time of mourning. The funeral homes are absolutely wonderful - you can't imagine how nice and supportive they are. I had to call them via cell phone several times while we were on the Interstate (believe it or not!) and they were really polite to me. They bent over backwards to be helpful. They wanted everything to be just right so the family would be happy with all the arrangements.
You would never have known this was a "government contract" funeral. They treated it like it like the family had a million dollars to spend.
And the honor guards come from Reserve units stationed in the area. These are guys who have regular day jobs, but give up time with their families on the weekend to attend funerals. That's dedication.
Cindy Sheehan should be ashamed of herself.
Son, the folks at RACE CARD called. They said Cynthia McKinney used up your share. Sorry.
Travis afb is in Vacaville. It is all active duty or retired servicemen and women. She isn't going to get away with this.
The first image is now my desktop wallpaper.
I'm going to modify the image by inserting the text:
"See the people in the windows? They'll sit right there in the plane, watching those Marines. You gotta wonder what's going through their minds, knowing that they're on the plane that brought him home," he said. "They're going to remember being on that plane for the rest of their lives. They're going to remember bringing that Marine home. And they should."
I'll send it in as soon as I'm done.
dave in nyc's DAD said...
Son, the folks at RACE CARD called. They said Cynthia McKinney used up your share. Sorry.
Well, the jerk store called. They're running outta you!
Seriously, is your post supposed to make sense, or is it a parody? After someone earlier claimed that Fred Phelps was a lefty, I'm finding it a little hard to tell the difference between parody and reality on this site.
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dave in nyc lied:
After someone earlier claimed that Fred Phelps was a lefty, I'm finding it a little hard to tell the difference between parody and reality on this site.
Did I say that Fred Phelps was a lefty? I think not.
You asked for proof that protesting at Iraq War veterans funerals was occurring. I gave you 921,000 citations of that and also mentioned the disgusting behavior of Code Pink, one of Cindy's sponsors.
Don't like my example? Doesn't float your boat? Maybe you could try one of the other 920,999 examples that I pointed you to. Did you do that?
No, I didn’t think so. Facts would interfere with your opinion.
If you can't prove your point without distorting the points of those that disagree with you dave, you've already lost the argument.
Did I say that Fred Phelps was a lefty?
Actually, anonymous said it AND you said it:
anonymous wrote
I've never heard of any Soldier's body being shown disrespect by anyone except the lunitic leftie that protest at a lot of funerals.
You wrote
This is, indeed, a deplorable tactic of the left and has been extensively covered.
One EXTREMELY small example:
and then you cited the Fred Phelps example.
If you can't prove your point without distorting the points of those that disagree with you dave, you've already lost the argument.
It appears I've already *won* the argument, since you were the one doing the distorting.
Not to mention, I tried a bunch the top links in that Google search* and they all were about Fred Phelps.
I'm not going to do your research for you. If protesting at funerals is a tactic of the left, give me some examples of the left doing it. If you have no examples, then retract the claim.
* You also have no idea how Google works. There are 912,000 hits for sites that have the words "protests", "Iraq", "veterans", and "funerals" in them. They are not all sites about "protests at Iraq veterans funerals".
(Just so you know, there are 1,540,000 Google hits for "Bush admits Iraq war was a mistake" and 371,000 Google hits for "Cheney confesses to war crimes")
Hmm...one wonders what Fred Phelps is other than a sorry-ass, rotten POS who has a "church" that protests at veterans funerals claiming that soldiers are being killed because the US supports homosexuality.
Actually he is a disbarred lawyer who is trying to cause someone to attack him in an effort to file and win lawsuits because he is a greedy.......I could go on, but I think you get the picture. If Fred has a political affiliation, I don't know what it is. I've heard both left and right, but I refuse to give the bastard the time of day in order to find out.
Dave, there has been a group of leftist protesters at Walter Reed Army Hospital for several months. I'm not sure they are still there, but I think they are affiliated with Code Pink. After looking, I'm not really sure who they were affiliated with, but they were anti-war protesters. What pisses most people off about their protests is that they target the wounded soldiers and their families, which I think is inappropriate.
Again dave in nyc lies when he says:
I'm not going to do your research for you. If protesting at funerals is a tactic of the left
again, davie, you did not specify this... you asked for proof that the there were protests at Iraq veterans funerals... that this occured is irrefutable.
More importantly you leave unanswered the Code Pink protests at Walter Reed where despicable 'humans' shout obscenities at recovering soldiers... do you wish to debate that point? Do you wish to debate that the Code Pink loonies are 'leftist'? In that case, ‘Bring it on’... go ahead, embarrass yourself.
Is the lunatic left (as represented by Cindy Sheehan) anti military? Again of this there is no question... only ineffectual attacks against those who disagree with you.
Cindy Sheehan was caught here in yet another lie … shamelessly using her son’s memory to prove her political points.
Has the Left in this country no shame at all?
Before you respond, davie, you might ask your friends at Code Pink…. And follow up on those other 920,999 leads that I gave you.
Actually dave, I HAVE done your research for you regarding the Code Pink protests (can you join me in saying that these are ‘despicable’people?)
I think that you’ll especially enjoy Cindy Sheehan’s participation in these protests and then her denial of that participation (who could possibly say that Cindy isn't advised by the best PR people?) ...
http://mobyrebuttal.blogspot.com/2005/07/code-pink-descends-on-walter-reed.html
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/boggess/060218
http://theredhunter.com/2006/01/the_pinkos_sound_the_retreat.php
http://community.webshots.com/album/544300730GjzeCG
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/08/update_code_pin.html
From Wikipedia… further proof that Code Pink protests at Walter Reed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Pink
Sheehan’s coments on Code Pink:
"I love Code Pink and everything they do…”
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200603%5CPOL20060302f.html
further in the same article, refuting Sheehan’s denial of being at the Walter Reed protests:
“However, Code Pink's own website features an article from Oct. 28, 2005, -- the date of the protest in question -- describing Sheehan's involvement.”
Same citation
“Members of Code Pink believe that they are thinking about the soldiers, but they are in reality only thinking of themselves and their blatant anti-war and anti-America message that this nation is not worth fighting for” …
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=19551
But please davie, if you choose to claim that these despicable individuals don't exist on the Left, or are part of Cindy's block, feel free to offer your 'proof'.
After all, according to Google I have 613,000 Google citations of "code pink + walter reed" to follow up with....
Rebel POW, I have been more patient with you than you deserve, and this will likely be my last response to you.
again, davie, you did not specify this... you asked for proof that the there were protests at Iraq veterans funerals... that this occured is irrefutable.
I was responding to a comment by "anonymous" alleging the protests at funerals were conducted by "lefties". I asked for examples because I knew those examples would show that the protesters were not, in fact, members of the left.
The fact remains that you also claimed the protests at funerals were conducted by the left. And you cited Fred Phelps as an example. If I did not specifically ask that question, why did you make the claim?
More importantly you leave unanswered the Code Pink protests at Walter Reed where despicable 'humans' shout obscenities at recovering soldiers...
You are trying to change the subject rather than acknowledge that you were wrong about the protests at funerals.
But I will ask, do you have any evidence that the Code Pink demonstrators shouted obscenities at recovering soldiers? My understanding, based on the articles I have read and the links you provided, is that Code Pink has held protests in support of the troops, in order to raise public awareness of the wounded and the mendacious (in their opinion) cause for which the soldiers have made such a sacrifice. We can debate the tastefulness of conducting such a demonstration at Walter Reed without resorting to fabrication or name-calling, can't we?
do you wish to debate that point? Do you wish to debate that the Code Pink loonies are 'leftist'? In that case, ‘Bring it on’... go ahead, embarrass yourself.
There is only one person in this debate who is embarrassing himself.
Cindy Sheehan was caught here in yet another lie … shamelessly using her son’s memory to prove her political points.
Again, I don't know whether Cindy Sheehan is lying or whether she is delusional. And I don't much care. Cindy Sheehan has no power and little influence. I'm not here to defend Cindy Sheehan. I'm here to refute idiotic statements that people like Sheehan "are the gravest danger ever to the United States, and must be stopped. By any means necessary..."
And follow up on those other 920,999 leads that I gave you.
Again, I am not going to do your research for you. That's not how it works. Find an example of members of the left protesting at an Iraq veteran funeral, retract the claim that it is a tactic of the left, or else just go away.
can you join me in saying that these are ‘despicable’people?
After reading a few of the links you provided, no, I can't. I don't agree with most of Code Pink's positions, and I find protesting outside of Walter Reed a little troubling (not nearly as bad as protesting at a funeral, though). But they seem like well-intentioned people.
As for Cindy Sheehan lying about being at a Code Pink protest--why should I care?
Well, at least now I know the defination of "fucktard".
I mean, since we're name calling & all.
Thanks Dave in nyc!
Dave, you sure seem to throw words like racist around alot. Making a snap judgement on someone you don't know based on a few heated statements posted in the anonimity of the internet is not exactly the dictionary definition of broadminded tolerance, either.
The Cindy haters have gone too far. Why do you feel the need to hound her all the way to her son's grave? The "factcheckers" themselves confirmed why she might have perceived it as a cardboard box, yet still claim she was lying. There is no reason for her to lie about this, and no reason to believe the mortuary owner's story is more truthful. Your invasion in this private matter is despicable.
This "woman" gives a bad name to mothers everywhere. She's a discredit to the military matriarchs and she is dishonoring her son with these hateful lies and her immature and disrespectful behavior.
The media is as far left leaning as she is and would NEVER correct her or dig deeper into this story to reveal the truth. Look what happened with the "Papergate" scandal involving Dan Rather. They jumped on that bait like rabid dogs.
Anything this woman says should be taken with a truckload of salt and I wouldn't believe a word she said even if her tongue came notarized. She is a liar, a fraud and uses her heroic and brave son's death to catapult her "fame." Her 15 minutes of shouldn't have lasted 15 seconds and the mere fact that she makes these comments about the treatment of her son TWO YEARS later shows that she is just grasping at the ghost of her notoriety.
This is defamation, slander and libel all rolled into one and if I were the mortuary owner, I'd file a civil suit against her as should the military.
Imagine you were a mother whose son was brought back in a "cardboard box" as she states, would you or would you NOT make it known THEN and NOT two years later? I for one would have picture evidence and witness statements and I would have filed a grievance against the military for mistreatment. As a mother I would NEVER allow anyone to disrespect my son's memory... but as we have witnessed by "Ms." Sheehan, she is the one doing injustice to his name and his sacrifice for our country.
Everybody has the right to express their opinions, but Cindy Sheehan is abusing it. She really has no clue what she is talking about. I wish she see that she is making a fool of herself!!!!!!!!!!
What a joy this must be, to our enemies. For citizens of the United States to tear at each other so horribly. I haven't seen such mud-flinging and name-calling since the last presidential election. But we can expect that of politicians. Have we all stooped that low?
Cindy Sheehan has only one objective...pormoting Cindy Sheehan!!!
Someone should look into where she gets all the money to make these trips, attend these protests, and further the "promotion of Cindy Sheehan."
She will be a sad, bitter, and very lonely woman when this is all over, sitting around her house remembering when she was the "media darling" and garnered the attention of the world.
What a sad way to honor the memory of her son.
Please feel free to stop by and read my perspective on this and other issues. We welcome all views, no matter how ridiculous they are.
http://texastruth.blogspot.com
RE: Cindy Sheehan,
Is there corroboration of Cindy Sheehan's interview by Michele Malkin? If not, I wouldn't trust Malkin with a Hefty garbage bag. She is a barking dog for the right and uses her minority status to blather even more odious propaganda than any white republican save Ann Coulter.
Revolting
I think you meant to say boogles rather than bugles. Trumpets in the mind just doesn't seem right.
Revolting
I think you meant to say boogles rather than bugles. Trumpets in the mind just doesn't seem right.
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