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Today in the Opinion Journal, former KGB intelligence officer Ion Mihai Pacepa explained the propaganda tactics of the communists during the Cold War.
Here is a bit of what Pacepa had to say about the Soviet's propaganda campaign in the West:
During the Vietnam War we spread vitriolic stories around the world, pretending that America's presidents sent Genghis Khan-style barbarian soldiers to Vietnam who raped at random, taped electrical wires to human genitals, cut off limbs, blew up bodies and razed entire villages. Those weren't facts. They were our tales, but some seven million Americans ended up being convinced their own president, not communism, was the enemy. As Yuri Andropov, who conceived this dezinformatsiya war against the U.S., used to tell me, people are more willing to believe smut than holiness.Does that remind you of anyone?
Here are the words of future democratic Senator John F. Kerry in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971:
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam...John F. Kerry- Useful Idiot.
Actually... Back in 2004, Ion Mihai Pacepa was asking this very question- "Where did Kerry get his material?" -Since, what Kerry said in his 1971 Senate testimony was almost exactly like the disinformation line that the Soviets were sowing worldwide.
Maggie's Farm thinks there's more to the story.
Michelle Malkin puts it all together.
This is a very helpful posting, showing the source of Kerry and so many like him in 1971 and the same now.
ReplyDeleteSubmitted this in an earlier post, will do so again since it is still quite germane:
ReplyDeleteInteresting. As the KGB Intel chief under and close advisor to Romanian president and genocidal butcher Nicolae Ceauşescu, Ion Mihai Pacepa was a chief contributor to anti-American propaganda programs during the Vietnam War which had the stated goal of placing a wedge between segments of the American populace in regard to that war. Divide the citizenry. Create popular unrest. And, you seem to believe that it worked. Perhaps it did.
But, it is even more interesting that Ion Mihai Pacepa's current contributions do exactly the same thing- divide the American public against itself during a time of war.
Something to think about. But, considering your deep hatred for your fellow countrymen who simply don't agree with you, I'd say that the original propaganda program's results are still working through the American mind and this new effort is simply more fodder to keep it well oiled and fueled.
A possibility that none of you here will ever actually entertain. Which is not only counted upon, but appreciated by your enemies. No doubt.
Get a grip. You're fighting your own countrymen more than you're fighting the real enemy.
Pacepa gives an insider's account of the unwitting assist -- "like putty in our hands" -- our fellow citizens of the Useful Idiot community gave and continue to give the enemies of freedom. To this day they still don't seem to understand they're being used.
ReplyDelete'Get a grip. You're fighting your own countrymen more than you're fighting the real enemy. '
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, you forgot to mention whom you were directing your post to: kerry, pelosi, murtha, reid.
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ReplyDeleteespecially for you anonymous @ 1:35 PM
An Interview with ex-KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov (1984)
gee.. i wonder what possible reason
YouTube could have for BANNING it??
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Anonymous, you forgot to mention whom you were directing your post to: kerry, pelosi, murtha, reid.
ReplyDeleteNo. It was directed at all of the useful idiots on both sides of this propaganda game. Y'all are part of it as well.
Our enemies are laughing at us as we attack each other.
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ReplyDeleteVietnam and the Media
excerpt:
[Ignorance of military and Southeast Asia matters, of communist revolutionary warfare, fueled by potential for lucrative career advancement, unwilling or unable to report on South Vietnamese or Laotian troops except in cases of failure, apparently enthused by the visual impact of war and the destruction it causes, sometimes disdainful of South Vietnamese if not American troops while ignoring Australian, Korean, Thai, and New Zeland forces, the news media proved incapable of depicting Vietnam, and Hanoi's War, in its entirety . The American public saw the same "bang-bang" every year, and were misled into assuming nothing had changed, nothing was accomplished. Allied temporary defeats were portrayed as permanent setbacks, while victories and accomplishments went unreported, or were, with smug theatrics, cast aside as government propaganda.
News media misrepresentation not only misled and uninformed the American public, but also prohibited its ability to think and make logical inferences on its own.
In the final analysis, Vietnam, Southeast Asia, Hanoi's war, and American involvement could not be, and cannot be, understood,
in good part because of media failings, moral, intellectual, and otherwise. Without recognizing this, and knowing that what was reported was not the all-comprehensive truth of the matter, the subject itself cannot be understood. Overall, and efforts of responsible reporters notwithstanding, the nature and extent of news media failure in Vietnam exceeds that of allied military forces who were attempting to and succeeding, despite documented lies and bumbling, to stop Hanoi's War. Many people died and millions more have greatly suffered simply because the whole story was never told. And because what was portrayed in media reporting was demonstrably not, to use the famous Cronkite phrase, "the way it is."
This bitter judgment is itself based on beliefs articulated by Robert Elegant, himself a journalist:
"Illusionary events reported by the press as well as real events within the press corps were more decisive than the clash of arms or the contention of ideologies. For the first time in modern history, the outcome of a war was determined not on the battlefield but on the printed page, and above all, on the television screen. "
Looking back coolly, I believe it can be said that South Vietnam and American forces actually won the limited military struggle. They virtually crushed the Viet Cong in the South, the "native" guerillas who were directed, reinforced, and equipped from Hanoi, and thereafter they threw back the invasion by regular North Vietnamese divisions. Nonetheless, the war was finally lost to the invaders after the U.S. disengagement because the political pressures built up by the media had made it quite impossible for Washington to maintain even the minimal material and moral support that would have enabled the Saigon regime to continue effective resistance."
Elegant, a highly acclaimed British reporter on Vietnam, later added these terrible words:
"Never before Vietnam had the collective policy of the media sought by graphic and unremitting distortion, the victory of the enemies of the correspondents own side."
Could this possibly be the truth about the performance of the U.S. media in Vietnam? In ending this series, from my extended observation and study of the media while on the home front during the war, this is certainly the way it looked to me. And many others. Said Senator Margaret Chase Smith, "The press has become more sympathetic to the enemy than to our own national interest." (Congressional Record, June 16, 1971)]
How North Vietnam Won The War
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[Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?
A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.]
Timeline of Defeat
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[Here's a pop quiz about Vietnam. When the 94th United States Congress finally pulled the plug on American support, how many of our GIs were still fighting in Vietnam? The question was posed to us the other evening by Secretary of State Kissinger, full of sagacity and wisdom 30 years after the events in question. We guessed somewhere on the order of 100,000, down from the more than half a million American military personnel who had been in Vietnam at the height of the fighting. But Mr. Kissinger had us.
It turns out that when the Congress pulled the plug on Vietnam, the number of our U.S. troops in Vietnam was zero. When, in the 1974 elections, the Democrats widened their majority in the Congress and then, in the spring of 1975, finally defied President Ford and ended support for the free Vietnamese government in the South, the number of GIs was something on the order of two or three dozen, mostly embassy guards.
This is something to think about as the Democrats maneuver against a war-time president over funding for our GIs and our ally in a free Iraq. It turns out that when one looks at the time-line of the betrayal of South Vietnam, one of the lessons is that, in the end, it was not about our GIs and the loss of American lives, great though that treasure was. Our GIs had long since been drawn down, as President Nixon fulfilled his campaign promise of Vietnamization of the war.]
[The Congress, however, wasn't prepared to stake them, despite the fact that South Vietnam was our ally in the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization. In October 1974, the 93rd Congress voted to end foreign aid to Vietnam. President Ford vetoed the measure. Congress, after an election that expanded the Democratic majority by 48 seats in the House and five in the Senate, overrode the veto. In the Spring, the 94th Congress blocked military appropriations for the South Vietnamese. It was not about our GIs. They had long since gone. A country of 50 million individuals who had sided with America and yearned for freedom was cast into the dark night of communist tyranny.]
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So what are the Democrats thinking today? Is this the direction in which they want to go? President Bush's threat of a veto appears to have forced them to abandon a timeline for defeat in Iraq. But Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi have made it clear they are going to keep trying. What was it about the Communists that the Democrats wanted to give them Indochina, a region with as many persons as Eastern Europe? And what is it about our Islamist enemies that makes the Democrats so determined to abandon a free Iraq? The tragedy of Vietnam taught that this is the question that needs to be asked and answered and that a default will haunt the politicians now in power for generations, as their own children and the children of our GIs demand to know their motives.]
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It's intersting to note how so many here are so willing to follow the words of a man who is considered by many in Romania to be a traitor, and an enabler of genocidal programs. An avowed totalitarian communist who was given a free pass but still strongly adheres to totalitarian beliefs. One of on Mihai Pacepa's stronger points (that everyone here buys lock stock and barrel) is that criticism of the "commander in chief" should not be allowed. A very Soviet practice indeed.
ReplyDelete“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” President Theodore Roosevelt, 1918.
Amazing. Choosing the words of a criminal totalitarian communist who aided genocide against the Romanian people over a fellow American?
Their game is working, the propaganda works and y'all are proof of it.
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ReplyDeleteanaonymous @ 4:00 PM
"Our enemies are laughing at
us as we attack each other."
i both agree & disagree..
yes, they probably are laughing at both pro & anti Iraq Liberationists in a general sense..
however, in a specific sense.. they are laughing at each group for different reasons.. one group for not doing their bidding being attacked by the other group who is doing their bidding..
but in the end, it would be the fools who are anti - Iraq Liberation they are laughing at the hardest..
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ReplyDelete“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” President Theodore Roosevelt, 1918.
Amazing. Choosing the words of a criminal totalitarian communist who aided genocide against the Romanian people over a fellow American?
um.. exactly who said that??
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ReplyDeletesorry..
bg @ 4:37 PM
was addressed to..
anonymous @ 4:09 PM
and another question..
do you know anything about anything.. or are you just an expert at twisitng facts to fit your America/n bashing agenda??
two can play that game.. which is
what makes it rather "laughable"..
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BG, you're an excellent example of what Yuri Bezmenov speaks of...
ReplyDeleteConsider for a moment: The stated goal of the Soviet propaganda program was to divide the American public. A divided pubic could not rally against the Vietnam War, and thus, the war could not be won. The same element is at work today in regard to Iraq.
Who do you hate more, useful idiots or the terrorists?
The fact that the question can even be asked speaks volumes.
The right has bought this program lock stock and barrel. And, the Iraq War shows the result.
It should never have been an issue.
And, YouTube didn't banned the videos. They are readily available. They likely killed the direct link to one of them, which they often do for a number of reasons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaoX_SgNO70
Perhaps if you were less conspiratorial in perspective, and more grounded in what is actually going on, you'd begin to see what is really happening.
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ReplyDeleteyou make me laugh with the absurd assumptions re: who or what i am, who i hate more, etc.. i deal with facts.. it's a good vs evil world, if you're not against evil, then thinking as a "progressive", you must be for it.. do you think that's true??
re: the video.. oh i see, they didn't "ban" it, they just edited & buried the ENGLISH version.. okay, got it..
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ReplyDeleteback-up re: YouTube video..
get samo samo at several other sites, go fig..
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So the former anonymous moves the argument away from the whole point...nice tactic...you are the useful idiot. Kerry cost our country lives and the lives of many in Nam and Cambodia..nice job. you leftist tools kill me...well and in reality YOU KILL many others.
ReplyDeleteBack to the original intent: to unmask those who conspire (wittingly or no) with foreign powers to undermine their own government..case in point: John F Kerry.
ReplyDeleteVerdict: GUILTY ON EVERY COUNT
Between this and the expose about Teddy K being a USSR confidant, the people of MA have a LOT to answer for ...but do THEY even know or care?
Quite obviously not.
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ReplyDeleteLB @ 6:51 PM
hey, i'm from MA.. :D not originally, that was NY (born in NYC).. don't know which "progressive" State is worse though.. *sigh*
and another nuanced step Kerry took
that the MSM neglected to investigate..
Official: Kerry failed to act on pre-9/11 tip
page 1
page 2
the letter
as for Tubba Kennedy, i just hope he's still around when the next man-made catastrophic event that he & a Dem Congress at the time had a HUGE hand in (via overriding a prez veto) occurs.. namely, The Big Dig caving in.. that disgrace has an obsession with "water", even named his dog "splash".. :(
btw: Kerry hasn't turned over ALL
of his medical records yet, go fig..
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The Euro lefties,(the '68ers like Joshka Fisher) have admitted that the E. German Soviets funded their protest magazines and other activities back them. That's how an anti-Nazi movement morphed into an anti-American, anti-Vietnam movement. When the Soviets finally cut them off financially (they weren't revolutionary enough) they turned to advertising for porn, still a hallmark of the alternative papers of today.
ReplyDeleteIs that enough verification?
So now it's "divisive" to criticize those who defame America and aid America's enemies? Whatever, comrade.
ReplyDeleteWow, you people are gullible.
ReplyDeleteYou gasp and point to the claim of a former agent of questionable veracity made thirty-five years after the fact, who provides not a single shred of evidence to back it up. Who lifts John Kerry's testimony nearly word for word, and claims "Those weren't facts. They were our tales..."
Well, aside from the fact that those types of events were independently documented many times over ... including in US military court martial records. Were those part of his KGB "tales" ?
As to John Kerry, he was repeating testimony given just months before at the Winter Soldier Investigation...testimony that was entered in the Congressional Record and that can still be searched on the Internet today. And which does indeed contain the stories Kerry said it did.
And by the way, contrary to what Mr. Ex-KGB claimed in the linked 2004 article, not a single claim made at WSI has been shown to be false, and not a single man who testified has been shown to be a fraud. (Before you go quoting Guenther Lewy, Google his embarrassing 2004 admission that he can't remember if he even saw any NIS report.)
Wow, you people are gullible.
Apparently Anonymous is deeply threatened by the topic of the disinformation that had its seeds in the Stalinist countries in the 1950's and now finds itsself expressed in the American left.
ReplyDeleteHe is really scolding us for considering this data. "Ignore the man behind the curtain" he says.
Thus he also smears a defector who we Americans welcomed, yet another Stalinist technique.
Gotcha anonymous. Your leaders will be proud
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ReplyDeleteanonymous @ 8:29 PM
of course it's on the "congressional record".. duh!!
Kerry Anti-War Ally Recants 1971 Claims of War Crimes
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[In a sworn affidavit on August 31, 2004, Pitkin said that he rode in a van with John Kerry, a national leader of the VVAW, Scott Camil, and others from Washington, DC to attend the conference. The event was intended to publicize alleged American war crimes in Vietnam, but Pitkin maintains that he did not intend to speak at the inquiry since he had no knowledge of such war crimes.
Pitkin now claims that Kerry and other anti-war leaders pressured him to testify about American war crimes, despite his protestations that he could not honestly do so. He says that one of the event leaders threatened to leave him stranded in Detroit if he refused to participate.
Pitkin's affidavit says, "Kerry and other leaders of the event instructed me to publicly state that I had witnessed incidents of rape, brutality, atrocities and racism, knowing that such statements would necessarily be untrue."]
there's lots more.. but i haven't got the
time at the moment to list them, later..
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ReplyDeletefound a bit of a short cut..
The Winter Soldier Investigation
but there's still more..
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Not threatened at all, George. Simply pointing out the obvious fact that this guy can't provide a shred of evidence for his claim.
ReplyDeleteWell actually, it's his implication and your inference, that the exact words used by Kerry in his testimony were provided by KGB propaganda.
Of course, perhaps the problems involved in that leap of logic escape you.
Well bg, now that you've shown you know how to find the transcript of the testimony, how about you read it and tell us exactly where Steve Pitkin testified to any of those things.
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ReplyDeleteLies sell
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bg, if that last was a response to my request that you show us Pitkin's actual testimony...well, you realize it isn't, don't you?
ReplyDeleteIf it was supposed to be some sort of evidence that any of the claims made at the WSI were proven false or any of those who testified were proven to be frauds ... well, you realize it isn't, don't you?
Unless you think a link to someone saying "They're liars !" is evidence.
Not making a very good showing so far, bg.
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ReplyDeleteanonymous @ 9:02 PM
would Video clips of Steve Pitkin's Winter Soldier Investigation testimony -- February 1, 1971 (4:16, 1.6MB) do it for ya?? [scroll down to link]
if not, you can read it..
John Forbes Kerry Timeline
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Thanks bg, I actually have seen and read Pitkins' testimony.
ReplyDeleteNow maybe you will point out exactly where he testifies to "rape, brutality, atrocities and racism."
Be specific.
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ReplyDeleteKerry Lied
scroll down for video links..
a-hole.. put a sock in it already.. you're starting to remind of someone who calls themselves "meatbrain".. kifaya with you're endless cyclical accusations / allegations you call questions..
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Nope, I've never posted under that screen name and in fact am not sure I've ever even posted here. Not in recent memory, anyway.
ReplyDeleteSorry you feel the need to resort to crude insults, but the fact is you are claiming - or repeating claims - that Scott Pitkin recanted testimony about "rape, brutality, atrocities and racism" when he gave no such testimony.
Or don't you read your own links?
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ReplyDeleteEarth to anonymous..
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Pitkin's affidavit says, "Kerry and other leaders of the event instructed me to publicly state that I had witnessed incidents of rape, brutality, atrocities and racism, knowing that such statements would necessarily be untrue."]
i believe that was what Pitkin's stated Kerry et al "instructed" him to testify to.. not his testimony.. geesh, learn to read..
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"Sorry you feel the need to resort to crude insults,"
cruel insults?? yeah, i'm sorry too.. but look at it this way, if we were playing a game of tit for tat, you're way ahead of me..
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Okay, in that case we can agree that that particular claim is completely unsupported by any evidence whatsoever. And as a matter of fact, is contradicted by his own appearance on film with Kerry.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that he had to change his affidavit every time he was caught in a lie doesn't help much either.
And by the way, his claim that he was "pressured" because he was one of the few combat veterans there is ludicrous on its face. Nearly 150 veterans with documented combat experience testified at WSI, and that was after thinning out all the others who volunteered to speak.
PS to bg -
ReplyDeleteSo you also agree that when Pitkin said (per your link) "Everything I said about atrocities and racism was a lie," he was lying? Because as you say, he never testified to any such thing.
Correction, 109 veterans testified at WSI, and 16 civillian contractors.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Soldier_Investigation
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ReplyDeleteanonymous @ 12:10 AM
recycle this, yawn....
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Hey bg, you've done some excellent homework lady! Good job!
ReplyDeleteThe only real thing that is dividing America against itself is the seditious libtards like A @ 1:35 who fight like hell to make sure reality isn't part of their collective world view...
Gen. Pacepa was NOT a KGB hand. He was the Director of Ceausescu's D.I.E. (Foreign Intelligence Directorate), the Romanian equivalent of CIA.
ReplyDeleteHe defected while accompanying Ceausescu in an official visit in West Germany and only hours later was transported to the US in absolute secrecy aboard a military plane.
Once in the US Pacepa was debriefed by the CIA for quite some time. His ex-boss the romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu put him on trial and sentenced him to two death sentences - in absentia, of course.
As a three-star general, Pacepa was the highest ranking intelligence officer EVER to defect to the West. The treasure trove of information he provided upon his arrival in the US helped President Reagan to understand the tactics and strategies of disinformation employed by the Soviets in the Cold War. Later on, Pacepa becomes one of the most trusted intelligence advisers to President Reagan, convincing the President to push forward arming America with new weapon systems, to challenge the Soviets and not to back up to their threats.
The rest is history, and most Americans have no idea the debt of gratitude we owe to Mr. Pacepa.
Anon. if you're that worried about the divisive atmosphere why did you jump out to begin the fray? If you were actually concerned about the wellbeing of the public and their unanimity you wouldn't have used divisive means to put others in their place. Therefore one has to believe that you aren't interested in practicing what you preach.
ReplyDeletebg said:
ReplyDelete>>anonymous @ 12:10 AM
recycle this, yawn....<<<
Yes, it must be exhausting repeating the same talking points over and over again.
Big A @ 4:45 whines: "Who do you hate more, useful idiots or the terrorists?"...
ReplyDeleteHmmm, so when its all said and done you think there is a real difference between the seditious, 'useful idiots' and the terrorists, eh?
One group, the 'useful idiots' sells out to the terrorist via the actions, words and their collective inability to come to grips with reality (there's only a 200+ years of history of muslim attacks against the United States) and one shouldn't say something about it?
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ReplyDeletejuandos @ 5:25 AM
thanks, great link.. (thumbsup)
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The Swifties found this years back:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nysun.com/article/3756
I believe that spies had a hand in these videos:
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