Holy Chavistas! Venezuela Violent Deaths Double Iraq's Numbers
Numbers from icasualties.org
Thanks to Gringo for pointing this out...
Venezuelan Politics blog reported that an average 33 Venezuelans were murdered each day last year, which comes to 1000 murders per month.
Iraq’s and Venezuela’s populations are roughly comparable: 27.5 million versus 27.7 million. In the last three months, there have been 1498 civilian fatalities in Iraq. During this same time, roughly 3000 Venezuelans have been murdered.
For the last three months of 2007, a Venezuelan was twice as likely to lose his life to violence as an Iraqi. It looks like its time for Hugo to put more attention on his abysmal security situation and less attention on Hollywood.
There's more good news, for Iraq anyway, HERE.
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Kate passed this on...
Two days in the new year, and already there have been 63 violent deaths in Venezuela.
posted by Gateway Pundit at 1/02/2008 11:50:00 AM
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I posted about this a while back:
http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/categories/venezuela/2006/08/13.html#a2996
Here are some excerpts:
--For each cop killed in Brazil, ten criminals die, in Venezuela the ratio is forty criminals per cop.
--Deaths for “resisting the authorities” have increased 254% since 1999 in the country and 759% in the Federal District.
--Military investment is 80 times police investment. One Sukhoi airplane like those purchased recently by the Government cost US$ 120 million, with that you could properly equip all police forces in the country.
--Homicide rates are measured by the number of corpses that go through the morgue, but there is an additional category in public hospitals called “undetermined violent deaths. In 2004, there were 9962 homicides reported by the morgues, 2150 for “resisting the authorities” and 4298 “undetermined violent deaths”. This gives you 74 violent deaths per 100,000 inhabitants, higher than Colombia’s 54, but that country is in the midst of a civil war.
--90,027 people have died violently since 1999 in Venezuela. This is more than the number that have died in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Iraq.
--Only 7% of homicides reach the point of someone receiving a sentence for it
--Of executions only 1.4% of the cases ends in a sentence
--The rate of homicides in jails is 20.6 per 1,000 inmates. In Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and Colombia combined; the rate is 0.6 per 1,000.
--There is an estimated 6 million weapons in Venezuela floating around, of which only 15,000 are registered.
Miguel Octavio
Holy shit.
I guess hardly any of big media news services will give any space to such a shocking find.
Crumbling economy? Nothing new, commies can't come up with any solution that works in this area. But so many deaths?!
Let's appease Hugo some more...
Not even two full days in, and 63 deaths in Caracas...
http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/?p=10815
I'm sure we'll hear quite soon that it was the CIA's fault.
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re: Tomas Sancio post @ 2:32 PM
excerpt:
[Chavez shows himself his concern for the poor in the US by donating money to Joseph Kennedy’s heating oil program in the US.]
i'd like to know who's getting the oil.. lots of fires going on here in MA & you can bet they're caused by "space heaters" or "ovens burning" all night long to keep warm..
and i can't imagine how much Joe Kennedy's 5+ x's a day tv advertisements praising Venezuela's oil contributions are costing.. gah!!
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Not to be too much of a party pooper, but you're comparing apples and kumquats here. The numbers from Venezuela are official numbers reported by the government (such as it is). The ones from Iraq are compiled from news and other reports by amateurs. They explicitly acknowledge, when discussing their methodology, that their numbers are well below what the morgues and hospitals report (http://icasualties.org/oif/Methodology.aspx)
The UN in their reports on Iraq (like this one from June: http://www.uniraq.org/FileLib/misc/HR%20Report%20Apr%20Jun%202007%20EN.pdf) basically complain that nobody collects accurate numbers, and that the Iraqi officials won't release any numbers at all.
So let's say that both Venezuela and Iraq are places one doesn't want to be if one is interested in not getting murdered.
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well seeing as how the UN is noted for inflating numbers, i'd say it works out about even..
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Wow. What a sick world.
And all the time from at least published commentary, human rights watch has it's major focus on Gitmo.
Wonder how the fatality rate compares.
"Not to be too much of a party pooper, but you're comparing apples and kumquats here. The numbers from Venezuela are official numbers reported by the government (such as it is). The ones from Iraq are compiled from news and other reports by amateurs. They explicitly acknowledge, when discussing their methodology, that their numbers are well below what the morgues and hospitals report."
Face it: the government in Venezuela and the amateurs in Iraq both collect numbers below what's reported. (Though by the way, Iraq Body Count uses morgue and hospital numbers as well as other resources to reach their count of 80-90,000.) The difference is, the amateurs admit it.
Actually, it’s not 33 per day, It’s even worse. From the article Venezuelan Politics cites there is the following.
“Carreño indicó que según cifras del Cicpc, entre el 1 de enero y el 30 de noviembre de 2007, han sido cometidos 12.249 asesinatos en todo el país.”
(Carreño pointed out that according to statistics of CICPC, between January 1 and November 30, 12,249 murders have been committed in the whole country.)
That was for the first 11 months of the year, so for the first 11 months, that would be 36 per day, not 33.
The numbers from Venezuela are official numbers reported by the government (such as it is)
Exactly. You think the Venezuelan government is telling the truth?
The point about relative numbers in present-day Venezuela and Iraq is well taken, but don't go overboard. On the order of 50,000 jihadis have been killed in Iraq; and they have murdered civilians at about 2x-3x their losses (which comes to a lot more than 90,000). The death toll in Chechnya is unknown, but Russian forces there have used firepower indiscriminately. Also the Russians are notorious for bad discipline: rape, murder, looting, and extortion have been documented, in spite of Putinist intimidation and murder of journalists.
On one hand you have nations like the U.S., Britain, Australia, Poland and others attempting to bring security and freedom to regions that have never seen it.
On the other hand you have nations like North Korea (largest concentration camp on the planet), Iran (largest terror supporting theocracy in history), and Venezuela (thugery personified) forming alliances.
Yet, many on the left are still stuck in a moral quagmire over who is worst.
Given their general romantic fawning over the former Soviet Union during the Cold War, one can't help but question why the left always seems to align itself with the enemies of the United States.
The sad thing is that constitution reform that chavez was promoting, didn't had anything to do with real problems, like job opportunities or to clean the streets from violence, such as murders and that kind of stuff. That's why it did not win... and thank god.
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