"Jeremiah Wright was his pastor and for over two decades a sort of intellectual father figure." -CBS2
The Obama's very very much tied to this hateful faith community.
He still will not denounce the church.
Barack Obama on Faith and Politics, June 28th, 2006, via Chicago Sun-Times:
I speak from experience here. I was not raised in a particularly religious household. My father, who returned to Kenya when I was just two, was Muslim but as an adult became an atheist. My mother, whose parents were non-practicing Baptists and Methodists, grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion herself. As a consequence, I did too.Kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me...
It wasn’t until after college, when I went to Chicago to work as a community organizer for a group of Christian churches, that I confronted my own spiritual dilemma.
The Christians who I worked with recognized themselves in me; they saw that I knew their Book and shared their values and sang their songs. But they sensed a part of me that remained removed, detached, an observer in their midst. In time, I too came to realize that something was missing – that without a vessel for my beliefs, without a commitment to a particular community of faith, at some level I would always remain apart and alone.
If not for the particular attributes of the historically black church, I may have accepted this fate. But as the months passed in Chicago, I found myself drawn to the church.
For one thing, I believed and still believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change, a power made real by some of the leaders here today. Because of its past, the black church understands in an intimate way the Biblical call to feed the hungry and cloth the naked and challenge powers and principalities. And in its historical struggles for freedom and the rights of man, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; it is an active, palpable agent in the world. It is a source of hope.
And perhaps it was out of this intimate knowledge of hardship, the grounding of faith in struggle, that the church offered me a second insight: that faith doesn’t mean that you don’t have doubts. You need to come to church precisely because you are of this world, not apart from it; you need to embrace Christ precisely because you have sins to wash away – because you are human and need an ally in your difficult journey.
It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.
...Amen.
UPDATE: The Rev. Wright issue was not the only thing that Obama flip-flopped on.
Astute Bloggers has a long list of Obama flops.
"The Christians who I worked with recognized themselves in me; they saw that I knew their Book and shared their values and sang their songs."
ReplyDeleteGateway Pundit, I am surprised at you. You did not catch "and knew their Book". That, my friend, is an Islamic saying. People of the Book are Muslims. So Obama is saying that he knew the Christian's "Book". Perhaps this explains how one reporter said that in an interview Obama could recite the Islamic call to prayer in perfect Arabic and said he felt it the most beautiful sound in the world. Perhaps, just perhaps, attending a Muslim school in Jakarta, living with a Muslim step father, going to Fridays prayers with the same step father and friends in Jakarta, had a greater impact on Barack Obama than anyone previously thought.
Obama says that he converted to Christianity. Converted from what?
I have never thought him to be Muslim, but this one quote of Obama's sheds a whole different light on how much influence Islam had on Obama's early years and the fact that his brother is a radical Muslim.
Did Obama choose Trinity because it was equally as radical a religion (Black Liberation Theology) as the Islamic faith of his youth?
"need an ally in your difficult journey"
And what are we told jihad is? A personal journey.
There is a reason Obama chose a faith so radical, so racist. There is also a reason that Obama could throw that faith (i.e. his church) aside without much fanfare when it became politically expedient. Perhaps, just perhaps, he used Trinity for street cred in an area where there are few who are not Christians. Perhaps, just perhaps, there is a reason he seemed to be able to bond so well with Tony Rezko, a Syrian, and Rashid Khalidi or why he seemed so comfortable with pro-Palestinians in Chicago.
Re-read his words. And then tell me they don't bother you as much as they bother me. And tell me that I am only being paranoid about a man who I view as totally untrustworthy.
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ReplyDeleteps: what upsets me the most is the fact that they don't know their own history.. unfortunately for US, neither do most people on this bass ackwards planet..
Muhammedan Islam
[This book reveals the dark secret of Islam and slavery of black people in Africa and the history of how Arab Muslims went to war on and captured black men, women and children and turned them into slaves.
While slavery only lasted 3 centuries in the west, it has lasted 14 centuries in the Middle East and exists today in many Muslim countries.]
i also find it extremely ironic that the BLT's & NBPP align themselves with Islam..
Black Slave Owners
[According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.
To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters.]
More buried history: Black slave owners in the US
[In many instances, free black slave owners shared a similar view of slavery with their white counterparts. Slave owners of both races occasionally manumitted a trusted servant and in the same moment requested the sale of another slave. The act of freeing one or several slaves while others remained in bondage did not constitute a firm commitment against slavery, but a personal view which acknowledged that some slaves, through merit or hard work, deserved their freedom, while others were destined to be slaves until death.]
The Truth May Inconvenience Our Perceptions
[Indeed, I have a videotape of black historian, Dr. Edward Smith of American University in Washington D.C., in which he points out that at least 90,000 blacks served under arms in the Confederate armies. This long ignored, or silently suppressed fact is only now beginning to reach the public where it can help to alter our perceptions of the realities which existed in the Old South. It might be worth noting that in the Southern armies, black and white men were not segregated as they were in the Northern armies. They fought side by side with fellow Southerners. In support of this fact, perhaps you are not aware that the first military monument in Washington D.C. honoring black soldiers is in Arlington National Cemetery near the Custis-Lee Mansion. Erected in 1914 by Moses Ezekial, a Jewish Confederate who wanted to correctly portray the racial realities in the Southern armies, it clearly shows a black soldier marching in step with his white comrades in arms. It further portrays the trust that existed between them by depicting a black woman receiving a white soldier's child for protection as he is going off to war. Somehow, this Confederate monument is never pointed out on the usual tours that you'll get up there. Does anyone think they might know why?]
[We must come to understand that slavery can come in many forms and under many names. It may still be of a physical nature, best represented today perhaps by imprisonment. What kind of a society imprisons 2 million of its people? Is not media propaganda, government indoctrination of our school children, and mandatory sensitivity training a form of intellectual or mental slavery? Can't we become slaves to our passions, our fears, or any series of misconceptions and falsehoods on which we act? Can we not be legislated into slavery, or simply taxed into it? If many blacks recoil in horror at the thought of tens of thousands of black Confederates fighting and dying under the Confederate Battle Flag 135 years ago, it may just show the extent of their indoctrination, their alienation with the past, and the magnitude of the challenge Southerners face in ending racial hostility.]
sorry so long..
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Have you heard the "whup them" strategy by obama???
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" At a town hall meeting on health care at Virginia High School, a 95-year-old voter gave the expected nominee a maple walking stick he had carved himself with the intention of giving it to Obama. Obama thanked the man and then, admiring his new gift, said “If members of Congress don’t pass my health care plan, I’ll whup them, I’ll whup them. That’s right, don’t mess with me, I’ll have my stick.”
Whup them??? So this is the CHANGE he is talking about! got it!
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ReplyDeleteoh yeah, forgot another bit of ironic history.. why do Obama et al cling to the Democratic Party??
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ReplyDeleteJohn Galt @ 12:08 AM..
seriously, i believe Obama could say he's going to toss the US Constitution out & establish Sharia Law & his flock of mesmerized sheeple would go wild with applause while shouting "yes we can" over & over again in unison!!
also heard him say he wouldn't take a penny from lobbyists again..
HOW STUPID ARE THEY??
[But behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth. A Globe review of Obama's campaign finance records shows that he collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs as a state legislator in Illinois, a US senator, and a presidential aspirant.]
and again..
HOW STUPID ARE THEY??
[But the Illinois Democrat’s policy of shunning money from lobbyists registered to do business on Capitol Hill does not extend to lawyers whose partners lobby there.
Nor does the ban apply to corporations that have major lobbying operations in Washington. And the prohibition does not extend to lobbyists who ply their trade in such state capitals as Springfield, Ill.; Tallahassee, Fla.; and Sacramento, though some deal with national clients and issues.]
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retire05, It's not true that "Obama says that he converted to Christianity", so you don't need to ask "Converted from what?"
ReplyDeleteIn Obama's "Dreams From My Father" p 280-295 (2004 ed) he explains his first experiences with Trinity and what could perhaps be called a "conversion" experience, but what some outside the faith don't understand is that w/non-Catholic Christianity "conversion" just means change of heart, though it's true sometimes that could include leaving another organized religion behind, but it doesn't have to, and I'm not aware of Obama even using that word.
Social activism (a faith that acts), identification with liberation and deliverance messages he heard from the pulpit that made the Bible characters and stories relevant for him, those are some of the positives he mentions.
You're not being "totally paranoid," just jumping to conclusions that I was pleasantly surprised were unfounded after I myself had heard so many red flag rumors that I did my own research.
Cindy, I am fully aware of what both the words "conversion" and "converted" mean. Obama has said, repeatedly, that he converted to Christianity at Trinity. He did not say "I became a Christian" as you would normally expect someone to say who had been an atheist or agnostic. He said "to" which, coming from a man who say words have meaning, means that "from" is also revelant. went to Chicago from St. Louis
ReplyDeleteThe bare bones fact of the matter is that Obama at least learned enough at an Islamic run school to memorize the call to prayer in Arabic. For many years, the Mass was said in Latin, but I can promise you, most Catholics could not repeat the mass in Latin.
You ignore the phrase that I pointed out in the beginning of my post I knew their Book. I have known many agnostics/atheists, and they have never referred to the Bible as "the Book". The only people who mention the "Christian Book" are Muslims and that is because for Islam, the Koran is the beginning, the middle and the end.
You also ignore my point that Obama seemed to have little problem dropping a church he was so tight with when his minister attacked him personally, having just said he could no more distance himself from Rev. Wright than he could his own black community. This, to any rational thinking person, meant that Obama related to Rev. Wright more than he related to the doctrine of the United Church of Christ. If he felt Wright has insulted him, or stabbed him in the back, it should have been a problem with Wright, not UCC, that Obama had and it should have been Wright, who he claimed had retired, that he distanced himself from, not Trinity itself.
What you are not seeing is the lack of loyality to the church itself, nevermind Wright. He praised Otis Moss as a great young minister. Moss, at that time, was considered the senior pastor at Trinity. If Moss was so fabulous, why did Obama drop the whole church? Because he had no loyalty to it, that's why. His faith was superficial, shallow, so it cost him nothing personally to leave it.
Black Liberation Theology has very little to do with Christianity and much more to do with Marxism. That is where Obama sat for 20 years to be part of the Chicago south side community. And no amount of excuses coming from you can change that.
You also ignore his reference to his "journey". No Christian faith places so much stock on the "journey" to Christianity. The religious journey (jihad) is only important to Muslims.
You do not want to see the meaning in what he said (coming from a man who has excelled in nuance) because you don't want to.
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ReplyDeleteMr. Taqiyyah Obama..
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retire05,
ReplyDeleteYou said quite a bit there, that's the only reason I didn't go point by point. About the "Book" reference since it seems to particularly raise a flag for you, I'm a passionate born-again Christian and use and hear that expression all the time, Tyndale publishers even has a Bible out called "The Book," but and for fun, a favorite YouTube vid: Baby Got Book (enjoy).
I too disagree not only with Black Liberation Theology in particular, but with the theologically liberal umbrella denomination of the UCC in general for a host of reasons (don't want to digress). But I'm not voting for Obama b/c he is or is not Christian, much less my brand of Christian, though I appreciate that his profession of faith in his brand of Christianity matches how he lives and what he says--his authenticity.
The "journey" concept is HUGE in Christianity, remember the mega-bestseller "Pilgrim's Progress?" We're pilgrims journeying home, baby. This is the worse it gets for us. (There's also a Bible called "The Journey.)
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ReplyDeleteObama is a racist, period..
spin, er, parse this for us Cindy..
In Dreams Obama wrote
* "The person who made me proudest of all, though, was half brother Roy. He converted to Islam."
Classmate Rony Amiris describes young Barry (Barrack Obama) as enjoying playing football and marbles and of being a very devout Muslim. Amiris said, "Barry was previously quite religious in Islam."We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong he looked funny," said Rony. Amiris now the manager of the Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, "Barry(Obama) was previously quite religious in Islam.
Obama's half sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng who describes herself as a Buddahist, stated "I don't want to deny Islam. I think it's obviously very important that we have an understanding of Islam, a better understanding. At the same time, it has been erroneously attached to my brother. The man has been a Christian for 20 years".
In yet another interview, Maya states "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim"
Obama did convert to an Afro Centeric form of Christianity at Trinity United Church of Christ in South Chicago, when he was 26 years old.
and how about this..
In Obama's book THE AUDACITY Of HOPE
* He wrote "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
The premier expert on Foreign Affairs and Intelligence, Larry Johnson informs us Obama has involved himself into the tribal clashes now occurring in Kenya. Please read the whole thing, including the well informed comments by other Intelligence Officials.
The opposition leader in Kenya, Raila Odinga, is Obama's cousin. Kenya's tribes-the Luo and Kikuyu-are killing each other over a disputed election that Odinga claims was stolen from him. Prior to the election in December 2007, Odinga wrote a letter to Kenya's pro-jihadist National Muslim Leaders Forum. There he pledged that if elected he would establish Sharia courts throughout the country; enact Islamic dress codes for women; ban alcohol and pork; indoctrinate schoolchildren in the tenets of Islam; ban Christian missionary activities, and dismiss the police commissioner, "Who has allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists.".
Obama's campaign sent former Clinton Aide, Dick Morris to Kenya to help out Barack's cousin, Odinga.
good thing for you Obama's not physically incontinent too huh..
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bg, context. why don't you just read the actual books?
ReplyDeleteI would be surprised if Obama described his experience as converting "to" any church period, will believe it when I hear it, haven't heard it. He's over and over again recounted how the Bible stories of deliverance and journey became real to him, stories of survival and freedom. Just a suggestion, but why not visit a similar church in your area if you have one. It's something to behold, the community support, the pain yet the strength, and the praise for God. There's anger at times, sure, but that's not the whole picture. Remember when Jesus in Revelation 2:1-3:22 walks through the churches pointing out all sorts of faults, yet he still found some good. Why not try some grace to go with that truth ("the Word was made flesh...full of grace and truth" * )
The reports about Odinga and Obama's family are not new, nor do they bother me, even though Odinga I don't like, but Obama's not like him.
Larry Johnson does not impress me. Peace
Here, bg, if you're still up this late, this one's really good, says it all (o.k., maybe not all), the joy, the gratitude, in praise of change and hope. Good night.
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Obama wrote it, and he put it in context..
so please, don't even try the bait & switch re-write crap, not to mention your far fetched psychic abilities, both are getting awfully tiresome..
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