Call off the Kooks... MEDIA MISTRANSLATES MALIKI!
Wow!... What a major mistake by the mainstream media.
It's as if they are rooting for Obama or something.
They mistranslated Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki on withdrawing US troops again.
It's just too bad the Obama camp already released this statement on the mistranslated Maliki remarks:
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Bummer.
The antiwar Democrats want so desperately to claim the win in Iraq as their own.
What Democrats seem to forget is that Maliki is not a Democrat-
He wants success in Iraq.
CNN via Drudge reported:
A German magazine quoted Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki as saying that he backed a proposal by presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq within 16 months.HotAir noticed this earlier today that Der Spiegel was changing its versions of the story.
"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months," he said in an interview with Der Spiegel that was released Saturday.
"That, we think, would be the right time frame for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes," he said.
But a spokesman for al-Maliki said his remarks "were misunderstood, mistranslated and not conveyed accurately."
Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the possibility of troop withdrawal was based on the continuance of security improvements, echoing statements that the White House made Friday after a meeting between al-Maliki and U.S. President Bush.
Joshua adds this final thought on Spiegel's misadventure:
Combining Reuters with quotes from Der Speigel is like combining the liberal fashionista fascist fest of Moulitsas DailyKooks and Arianna HuffNPuffs!UPDATE: Someone needs to forward this to Josh Marshall who still is gloating over yesterday's mistranslated misreports.
An evil combination of BDS and leftist lunacy.
The Jokers and the Tokers. Talk about a "dark K-night" of moonbattery...
Ya, ya this is Der Spiegel. PM Maliki, do you like Spandex? We think you'd look so good Sir. PM responds, "Uhhh huh? What are you a bunch of freaks?" Der Spiegel reports, "PM hints he is a freak for spandex!"
UPDATE 2: Greyhawk notes how the media is also misreporting John McCain's statements on withdrawing troops.
posted by Gateway Pundit at 7/19/2008 09:59:00 PM
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Ha! and AaaaaHa! Knew it! This was far to pathetic and predictable from Der SpinMeisters. LOL...
Combining Reuters quotes of Der Speigel is like combining the liberal fashionista fascist fest of Moulitsas DailyKooks and Arianna HuffNPuffs! An evil combination of BDS and leftist lunacy.
The Jokers and the Tokers. Talk about a "dark K-night" of moonbattery...
Ya, ya this is Der Spiegel. PM Maliki, do you like Spandex? We think you'd look so good Sir. PM responds, "Uhhh huh? What are you a bunch of freaks?" Der Spiegel reports, "PM hints he is a freak for spandex!"
And thats how the nutters on the left report the news.
Its like the far left nutjob fake claiming he was a baptist minister at the McCain townhall meeting that HuffNPuff sent. He was neither a Baptist Minister or Independent concerned local. He was a setup hitman, a reporter for HuffNPuff.
How completely corrupt the left are at home and around the world.
It mus tbe hard being MM, for she, like Nancy Grace, is angry all the time. Don't you ever get tired of being angry and always on the attack? It can't be healthy to be so unbalanced. So the media is always wrong? Always? Just too preposterous to believe.
Amateur Hour at the Obama campaign.
Don't you ever get tired of being angry and always on the attack?
Don't know about GP, but as for me I'm even more tired of our leaders sitting there and passively taking it from those for whom our founding truths ... which apply to ALL MEN, not just American citizens ... have never been, and never will be, self-evident.
They did that for most of my lifetime ... and it never brought us a sustainable peace ... because, in nations led by those for whom those truths are not self-evident, peace is just an illusion.
It can't be healthy to be so unbalanced.
It's even less healthy to have one's perceptions shaped in a way that renders their ability to pursue happiness, possibly their liberty, and perhaps even their life, more vulnerable to the whims of totalitarian enemies.
So the media is always wrong? Always? Just too preposterous to believe.
Ah yes, we recognize the tactic of focusing on the extreme to justify the norm.
As long as this media continues to see its role as "changing the world" by shaping the flow of information to fit the progressive paradigm, instead of acting as "mere" journalists with a sense of history and sound principle, they will continue to make errors like this.
And I wonder if al-Maliki knows it ... and has, twice now, set the MSM and the Big 0 up for an embarrassing fall?
Jason,
LOL... means - laughing out loud. Would it help if I said, Hahahahahahahaha? :)
Stop projecting your personal problems of anger onto others. Admit you have a problem and deal with it. I suggest the movie, Anger Management by Adam Sandler. Just don't go beating up any Bhuddist Monks aftewards, OK "dude?"
And try not making absurd conclusions based upon reactionary and uninformed assumptions. I suggest you get that special time like Dieter alone with yourself and dance.
No one here said the media is always wrong. I simply stated it is predictable coming from a Hate Bush liberal german rag. If you knew their history you'd know they tank for socialist left in Germany. Socialist left in Germany is Far Left in America. They routinely opine how evil Bush is along with satirical covers like the New Yorker.
Yet Bush never whines about it there or here does he?
To them Americans are dumb, obnoxious cretins and Bush is to.
They're an elitist German publication looking down there Dieter noses. Like the UK Guardian, they could not believe 60 Million Americans voted for Victory in Iraq. They were so sure Americans would vote for Defeat, Surrender, flipflop "Genghis Khan" Kerry. Like the far left nutroots in America, ever since 2004 their obsession and "anger" has been non-stop towards Bush and our military in general.
Der Spiegel and left rag gatekeepers like the Guardian are once again invested in Defeatist "Hope and Change" in Obama. He meets all their far left sacred criteria; a) murder babies, b) homosexuals in spandex, c) appeasement at all cost to our enemies, d) Propaganda and censorship, e) The Karl Marx doctrine.
But its not really change or hope. It is the same SurrenderCrat voice of Kerry reborn in a cheap empty suit from dirty Chi-town political hacks of corruption, fraud, and stealing from the govenment to fleece the poor. See Rezko and Obama failures in Chi-town.
This cognitive dissonance and false messiah worship from rags like Der Spiegel results in a Media Clown show which keeps on popping out of circus ring clown cars. The leftist media pulls for defeat with each clown appearance. Instead of reporting all sides, thy stream from the left with blinders on tripping over each other. I just eat Cracker Jacks and enjoy.
The character played by Mike Meyers on SNL sums up Der Spiegel writers quite well. Its funny. Lighten up.
Meyers SNL German character was my inspiration for the spandex joke. Because I'm sure Dieter would ask such a totally irrelavant question to a PM and twist it to his fashionista desires.
So, its Der Spiegels time...
To Dieter Dance
LOL = hahahahahahahaha...
Anger is good sometimes, like when Harry Reid declares we lost the war while our troops are winning on the ground in Iraq.
But my post was pure sarcasm and laughter because I knew Maliki would correct Der Dieter Spiegel Dancers.
Notice that the quote from the spokesman doesn't say what was mistranslated.
The reason is that he wasn't mistranslated, but he needs to walk back his statement to appease the Bush administration.
But remember: Maliki needs for political purposes to tell the Iraqis that the US will be out soon. What does that tell you? It tells you that Iraqis want the Americans out, Americans want the Americans out of Iraq, the only people who don't want the Americans out are America-haters like Bush.
[T]he only people who don't want the Americans out are America-haters like Bush.
And the America-hating American troops in Iraq who want to finish the mission.
Those bastids.
"But remember: Maliki needs for political purposes to tell the Iraqis that the US will be out soon. What does that tell you? It tells you that Iraqis want the Americans out, Americans want the Americans out of Iraq, the only people who don't want the Americans out are America-haters like Bush."
LOL, like you have a freakin' clue what Maliki needs or Iraqi's want! How do you know this? You work for him? Are you an Iraqi pollster? What does it feel like to be such a failure? Only leftists know for sure.
anon 10:38 ... if I were you, I wouldn't be so sure of myself, considering GP posted THIS recently. Apparently not ALL the Iraqis want us out.
You ask, what does this tell us?
It tells us that al-Maliki, like McCain, has to deal with opposition -- overt and in the media -- that are all too willing to bend the truth. He treats them like the adversaries they are.
Notice how he is very careful with the wording ... to let the astute reader know that, while 16 months would be nice (and I agree with that), it is HOW the war is going that will determine when he will lead his nation to stand on their own.
That is the choice the VICTOR of a conflict makes ... it is the LOSER who decides WHEN the war ends.
Twice now, he's dealt quite deftly with one of those opponents of his agenda ... the junior Senator from the State of Illinois. It almost looks like he baited the Big 0 with a tempting statement, only to see the Big 0 step in the baaad stuff and get it stuck on his shoes.
Keep in mind ... al-Maliki knows that if the Big 0 is elected, the days of getting ANY military support from America ... whether Iraq wants it, NEEDS it, or not ... are numbered, irrevocably so in practical terms.
He remembers what the Dims did to South Vietnam, after "peace with honor" was established and our Men were home ... and I'm thinking he's too smart to passively stand by and watch as they try to reprise that travesty.
While he won't stoop to interference in our elections, he will do what he can to expose his opposition for what they are ...
... as their obsession with WHEN reveals ...
... losers.
Obama said he wanted to get foreign policy experience. I hope he learns something from falling flat on his face on this one.
A less inexperienced, less naive leader would have realized that major policy statements by heads of state are not generally released in casual interviews with foreign correspondents. He would have called Malaki to confirm the statement or waited until the met and confirmed it himself. He would have been cautious in the realm of international diplomacy instead of recklessly pursuing a personal political advantage on the international stage.
DaMav
There has been way too much media exposure for Obama, so much so, I'm at the point of Obama burnout and he hasn't campaigned as long as Hillary Clinton.
I feel like Obama has been around forever. He is everywhere and it is tiresome. And, I don't even watch tv anymore.
Obama is over-
Who knows what was really said? Arabs (and probably others) have played this game for awhile. Arafat, for example, would say one thing in English and then another in Arabic. In the end, people hear what they want to hear. And really what difference does it make? Iraq doesn't have to agree before the US pulls its troops out. We can do that whenever we choose. So maybe Maliki thinks Obama's going to win and he wants to appear like he's on board with a rapid pullout. Saves face that way. Better than begging us to stay and Obama says eff you. Or something.
Guess Bush decided he'd better reign in his toady. This "correction" came from CENTCOM's PR room. I'd say that sums up the whole ordeal. Maliki tells the truth, he gets told to retract his statement, CENTCOM releases the retraction.
NPR is still reporting this morning that the comments were made, but now al-Maliki is "backing off" his earlier comments.
Probably Bush administration pressure to force our vassal state to behave. Change will change that.
Right Wingers have zero imagination.
C'mon fellahs how eager can you be to take such a dumb-ass retraction serioiusly. Can you connect dots at all? Ask the severely pressured Maliki which words were translated wrongly? And please give the arabic version as recorded and verified by Spiegel.
Jeez ! Talk about credulity.
Bruce B
Whether it was a mistranslation or not, Maliki knows McCain will support Iraqi freedom, but now he has to take into account that Obama could be President. What better way to ensure Obama's friendship than to say his plan sounds about right?
Note, folks: when it's reported that al-Malaki's made a statement that favors Obama, the Left treats it as an opportunity to claim vindication of their policy position on Iraq. When said statement is then disavowed by al-Malaki's spokesman, the Left treats it as an opportunity to throw insults at al-Malaki. And if it all switches again tomorrow, so will the Left.
And that's why you should always start from an actual good moral position, and not try to retroactively make it one. The other way never works.
The new translation makes a lot more sense. Yes, Maliki needs to be ready and willing to see US troops leave in 16 months from January, since that's Barak's plan. But there's a big difference between acceptance and endorsement. To endorse the plan would pretty much tie us to it no matter who the president is, and that's definitely not in Maliki's interest. In fact, had the story been true, there would be a compelling case to leave in an even shorter time frame, as there's absolutely no reason to stay and sacrifice for a bunch of ingrates.
Der Spiegel a left-socialist Bush hating rag? If you bothered to read Wikipedia, youd see that it is best described as center-right, with a tendency towards freemarket liberalism. In what time/space dimension is your version of the Spiegel printed? Is this in the same bizarroworld that the French are enemies of the US and all lefties are spineless wimps too? It must be nice living in a world of Black & White.
This is not surprising.
I guess it must suck for Obama that so many are resisting his attempts to rewrite history and are not helping him cover up his flip-flops.
Is there any reasonable thinking Obamabot who thinks the iraqi PM would say he wants us out in a certain time-frame without regard to conditions on the ground. Of course not.
This is the key difference-Obama wants a timeline without regard for the conditions and well-being of the iraqi people, whereas, the reasonable thinking folks want us out as soon as we can "based on conditions on the ground."
"Someone needs to forward this to Josh Marshall who still is gloating over yesterday's mistranslated misreports."
Good luck with that. Once something this useful appears in print anywhere, it assumes the status of established fact on the left -- no matter how often and how thoroughly it is subsequently debunked. It's like Lancet's 600,000 dead Iraqis, or the 80% of Iraqis who wanted us to leave in an undocumented local poll -- from 2006.
Oh, just admit it. Maliki is just trying to backtrack a little after some Bush arm twisting. He wants us out too.
But so what, who cares what the American voter thinks? Who cares what Iraqis think?
McCain and the Republicans just want to stay in Iraq forever, then start a war with Iran...just more war, endless war, endless fear, endless terror warnings.
How easy it must be for you guys to send kids off to die for such utter bullcrap.
How easy it must be for you guys to send kids off to die for such utter bullcrap.
How easy it must be for you guys to leave an entire nation to the tender mercies of al Qaeda simply so you can win an election.
I'm glad that those on the left who never gave a rats *ss about how the iraqi's felt are now listening so precisely to the Iraqi PM who they were venomously pronouncing as a Bush toady not so long ago. I will see the Iraq war as a complete success when they credit obama for winning the war.
What astounds me is that anyone thinks this is some sort of failure for Obama. Millions of people, who are still formulating their opinion of Obama heard on the news last night that Iraqi PM al-Maliki agrees with Obama's plan to remove troops from Iraq. Today, hundreds of partisans are hearing otherwise.
Just like McCain's 100 years statement, the Obama camp is running as far and as fast as it can with this. We will hear for months that al-Maliki agrees with Obama.
It is called propaganda folks, and Obama is showing his mastery.
The MM is still reporting the der Spegel article and burying the change. This is what the link on CNN's main page says: "Iraqi PM quoted as backing Obama's plan". The article does note the change the lede is still that Maliki endorses a 16 month timeframe for withdrawl.
Over at MSNBC, there's no sign of the correction to the der Spiegel article by the Iraqi leadership after earlier trumpeting the news that al Maliki "agrees" with Obama.
ABC News has it but the title on the article is "What's Arabic for Spin?" still implying tht the original story was correct in spite of a specific, public, on the record correction by the Iraqi government.
CBS News...nope...no sign of any correction.
I guess since the correction doesn't fit the meme it is not the "truth" and therefore not newsworthy.
Could the MM possibly be more in the tank for Obama?
McCain and the Republicans just want to stay in Iraq forever, then start a war with Iran...just more war, endless war, endless fear, endless terror warnings.
How sophmoric.
Get. A. Clue. The war has already been underway for years ...
... it was started by Iran in 1979, and continues to this day via their surrogates Hamas, Hezbollah, and certain entities operating in eastern Iraq.
... Al Quada and the Taliban joined the fight when we did things the Dimocrat way, and left a power vacuum -- instead of rights-respecting governance -- in Afghanistan in the 1990's.
... Saddam joined in, first by gassing his own people, then by invading Kuwait ... and even after he was defeated in the first Gulf War he capitalized on the half-measures advocated by diplomats and "realists" to continue supporting terrorism for twelve more years.
That looks more like "endless war" ... and worse yet, war on the enemy's terms ... than anything President Bush has executed, and/or Senator McCain has supported.
Are you one of those that think that we can avoid war simply by refusing to effectively fight it, anon?
The war came to our civilization, years ago ... but the Best and Brightest who seem to have your respect are such dim bulbs, they still haven't realized it yet.
So the question is ... on whose terms will this war be fought -- ours, or the enemy's?
Since 2001, this war has been largely fought on OUR terms ... and we are now seeing evidence of the wisdom in doing so.
The war is ENDING in Iraq ... thanks to our presence.
If you oppose what Bush and McCain advocate ... it is you who will bring us endless war ... ending in the peace of the graveyard.
It is called propaganda folks, and Obama is showing his mastery.
In this day and age of New Media, Fox News, and conservative-tolerant newspapers like the Washington Times ... it's actually more like tap-dancing in a minefield.
Ask Dan Rather.
"In this day and age of New Media, Fox News, and conservative-tolerant newspapers like the Washington Times ... it's actually more like tap-dancing in a minefield.
Ask Dan Rather"...
ROFLMAO!
Excellent Senor Casebolt, really most excellent!
Did I actually see someone above citing wikipedia as an authoritative source? Wow! The Obamabots are even dumber than I thought. Der Speigel, a center-right organization. Sure, just like DailyKos is a center-right website. Of course, I suppose for you Stalinists, both of those *are* center-right, comparatively.
fnord....
Wikipedia is pretty left of center, themselves. So using them as a source is suspect.
Meanwhile I've taken Drudge off my home page. He's left a bogus headline up in red for two days. What does he do, now, just put up bullcrap and take the weekend off?
He's helping the media build up a whole false front for Obama. I'm off him.
Please tell me how you can mistranslate the name "Barrack Obama?" Der Spiegel is standing by their story, so I'm assuming they have the remarks on tape.
I do find it funny, however, that you find the "I was mistranslated!" story more credible than the original report in which Maliki, unprompted, mentioned Barack Obama by name.
herb says: "Please tell me how you can mistranslate the name "Barrack Obama?" Der Spiegel is standing by their story, so I'm assuming they have the remarks on tape"...
Most of the folks here have been following the incompetence, outright lies, sheer idiocy of the MSM since Gore attempted to steal the national election in 2000...
"I do find it funny, however, that you find the "I was mistranslated!" story more credible than the original report in which Maliki, unprompted, mentioned Barack Obama by name"...
Its interesting that you seem to be assuming that Der Speigel would change their tune just because CNN came up with something different ...
Considering the previous track records of both Der Speigel and CNN I wouldn't believe either one of them unless I got a chance to listen to the original tape...
Considering that Obama has already proven himself to be a typical Dem (a.k.a. pathological liar with strong strains of cluelessness running through him) how can anyone even consider what the Obama camp may have possibly contributed to this story?
Seems the misguided Nation, along with Mr. Tom Hayden, are running with this latest bit of overt manipulation.
It is quite amusing and truly laughable.
Liberal Democrat Partisans have tried everything to undermine an admirable effort to Liberate the Oppressed Millions in Iraq.
This mission to remove a Monster, (which nearly all of the Democrats in Congress Voted for...), who buried children alive and rewarded PLO suicide terrorism, has been vastly distorted by those who once claimed to stand for the Liberation of the Oppressed.
If you are living under a brutal Tyrant somewhere in the World, best hope a Democrat Liberal is not elected in the USA.
The political bigotry against a Republican, or anyone who does not share the Liberal Democrat Obsession, won't allow these Partisans to realize sound policy for all.
It is truly regretful, that the hatred provided from the LEFT, would have made so many Democrat Partisans become so delusional.
Democracy grows in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Democrats have it wrong again. Today we see history repeating itself, as the Democrats once undermined President Reagan's proven struggle against the Iron Curtain,
Democrat Liberal Partisans have become so desperate to find something that will support their misguided efforts to undermine Liberty in the Middle East, they are willing to believe any bit of misinformation they encounter.
We have watched these Democrats lie, slander, debase, manipulate, vilify, etc., everything and everything since 9-11.
All for their pathetic greed for power, and their growing bigotry for who they see as their political opposition.
This is just par for the course.
So how do you interpret this?
The following is a direct translation from the Arabic of Mr. Maliki’s comments by The Times: “Obama’s remarks that — if he takes office — in 16 months he would withdraw the forces, we think that this period could increase or decrease a little, but that it could be suitable to end the presence of the forces in Iraq.”
He continued: “Who wants to exit in a quicker way has a better assessment of the situation in Iraq.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/21/us/politics/21obama.html
If you want this war to continue, you will believe everything the war mongers say and do.
What has happened with the republicans? They want to be right at any cost. Even if it will cost us thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.
Now McCain says: I know how to win a war.
I don't now what McCain means when he says "win" the war- frankly, I don't know if he knows it himself - but do we want another president who holds personal ambitions about the war that is not shared by the people, neither in US or Iraq?
Now, if you don't trust "liberals" then listen to Ron Paul, Chuck Hagel and others on the right who has seen the light when it comes to the Iragi war.
NB: I can't believe this "piece" got to "the best of the blogs"
The poor, wailing moonbat whines: ""...
Well I see your problem right off, first you consider the New York Times a credible source, typical of libtard moonbat thinking...
Second you consider Ron Paul and Chuck Hagel as YOUR idea of people from the right...
Now that's some seriously deranged but thoroughly delusional thinking...
The moonbat further whines: "If you want this war to continue, you will believe everything the war mongers say and do.
What has happened with the republicans? They want to be right at any cost. Even if it will cost us thousands of lives and trillions of dollars"...
Hmmm, but you see no problem with the non-stop War on Poverty started by LBJ which has also been a non-stop train wreck that has distributed trillions of dollars from the productive just to buy the votes of the parasitic...
Yep! Typical moonbat thinking...
You all know that Maliki's own translator provided the translation for this story, right?
Of course not, that would destroy your arguments.
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