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This is a beautiful story. Hassan makes me proud a...

2007-12-17T22:18:00.000-08:00

This is a beautiful story. Hassan makes me proud and everyone back at home too :)

bg,Ignore him. The rest of us will.Attacks agains...

2007-12-13T04:44:00.000-08:00

bg,
Ignore him. The rest of us will.
Attacks against Christianity are popular in some circles. If you have to bring up the crusades to prove your point, it's rather a mute point.
As a New Yorker, I can tell you, you can find the best examples of humanity and the worse, within the city confines.
New York City has a population of over 8 million. In the metro area, it's 20 million. So think of where you live, if you can find a few jerks, multiply ours by 10.
Am I surprised that a group of teens attacked a man simply because he is Jewish? If you watch the news in the city, you will find that some groups of teens need no reason to attack. They are just looking for trouble.
Thank you to Hassan and others, who step forward everyday to give us the examples of the best of humanity.

++Anon @ 5:52 PM..it made the news, he was referri...

2007-12-12T23:15:00.000-08:00

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Anon @ 5:52 PM..

it made the news, he was referring to other Jews.. so much for jumping to conclusions heh..

re: questions @ bg @ 6:10 PM..

to the ytba & Jack tag team..

crickets..

perhaps they went back and actually read my posts??

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Jesus would be so proud.

2007-12-12T21:19:00.000-08:00

Jesus would be so proud.

I think that It is a very sad time in our world an...

2007-12-12T18:58:00.000-08:00

I think that It is a very sad time in our world and In our country when people are shocked by a person doing a kind and human thing, based solely on the religious beliefs of that person at the same time I am glad to see that news is being less biased based solely on religious believes. I also think that if you really look into most relgins that they do have a civl code of conduct and it does not involve not helping someone simply because their beliefs are different then yours. I am a Unitarian for the record.

@jack"Thanks for making a civilized argument. :)"Y...

2007-12-12T18:24:00.000-08:00

@jack

"Thanks for making a civilized argument. :)"

You, too.

Regards

AN ANECDOTE ABOUT GOOD MUSLIMSI have a Jewish frie...

2007-12-12T18:14:00.000-08:00

AN ANECDOTE ABOUT GOOD MUSLIMS

I have a Jewish friend from the old Soviet empire who's car got stuck very late at night in an unlit backwoods area of some Regurgistan(I dont't remember which one)somewhere over there. He was with his brother-in-law, and they went out to the main highway to see if they could get help. This was risky, because there were terrorists roaming those parts at that time, just out to kill the "other" guys.

They flagged down the first car, and two fellows got out, one of them being nearly 7 feet tall. The guys who stopped were a little suspicious (gee, I wonder why) but they agreed to help. They were both Muslims, and they stopped helped a couple of strangers, at risk of their own lives since they didn't know my friend was harmless, who turned out to be Jews.

It gets better. One of the Muslims got upset because he recognized the car and thought these two might have stolen it. He had been good friends with the owner of the car. After some tense questioning, everyone realized they could trust each other when it was revealed that the owner of the car was my friend's father.

But, the point is that even in the most seemingly G-d forsaken wilderness, there ARE good people, and some happen to be Muslims.

POSTSCRIPT. My friend now practices Medicine in the US, but as we see from the incident on the train, attacks can happen anywhere, even here, and even by those who one might think more trustworthy than those who actually were.

The bottom line is that if G-d want's to help you, you will be helped; and if not, nothing you can do, and nowhere you try to hide, will be able to change that.

++just one question ytba.. precicely what do you m...

2007-12-12T18:10:00.000-08:00

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just one question ytba..

precicely what do you mean by "believer"??

and one for you Jack..

what makes you think my comment was directed at you??

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BG, I don't think you realize this, but you "insul...

2007-12-12T18:08:00.000-08:00

BG, I don't think you realize this, but you "insult" yourself ... I am sorry for that. I'd really enjoy a conversation if it were not laced with so much animosity.

ytba ...you are correct ... at least you bring cla...

2007-12-12T18:03:00.000-08:00

ytba ...

you are correct ... at least you bring clarity. Unfortunately, status quo does determine who gets the best seat in the theater. But at least under a good leader, efforts could be made to bring "harmony" to the people. It's relative yeah, and in the past it seemed the Jewish people got caught in some crossfire.

Thanks for making a civilized argument. :)

++don't you just love people who attack posters vs...

2007-12-12T18:01:00.000-08:00

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don't you just love people who attack posters vs the issues.. *sigh*

oh well, guess that's to be expected when one side produces facts vs the other sides opinions..

and not that it matters one iota, i'm a she.. but you can call me ducky, as insults roll off
my back (as in water off a ducks)..

carry on, yawn..

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In brief ... under the rule of Caliph Omar, Jerusa...

2007-12-12T17:54:00.000-08:00

In brief ... under the rule of Caliph Omar, Jerusalem was shared by all faiths ... until the craders paid a visit.

The Muslim faith, in general, has gotten a bad rap from desperate extremist groups, but the core of the faith is the same with any other. Askari is one example, but why should it surprise anyone that a human being is able to come to the aid of another ... regardless of religious differences.

We seem to think that a "typical" Muslim normally wouldn't perform such an act ... that's ignorant.

"A Muslim-American saved us when our own people we...

2007-12-12T17:52:00.000-08:00

"A Muslim-American saved us when our own people were on the train and didn't do anything," Adler said.

Who exactly are "our own people"? Was he talking about other Jews on the train? Or perhaps only non-Muslim Americans count as "our own people"?

This Adler guy sounds like he has his own bias issues.

@Jack"There was a time in history when Muslims and...

2007-12-12T17:49:00.000-08:00

@Jack

"There was a time in history when Muslims and Jews actually live side-by-side in relative harmony."

EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE...

"MYTH

"Jews who lived in Islamic countries were well-treated by the Arabs."

FACT

While Jewish communities in Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written:"

Also, you won't get very far reasoning with bg, he's a 'believer,' which is OK if one's belief is well founded, but if it's just because that's what tweaks his fancy this week (not because he's carefully thought it through) then who knows what side of the fence he'll be on next week. Generally, the louder one yells at one's "friend" (theoretically on the same side as himself), the less likely he is really on their side.

But, from what else you say, I'm guessing you probably already know that.

++Jack @ 4:07 PM..An African Asks Some Disturbing ...

2007-12-12T17:28:00.000-08:00

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Jack @ 4:07 PM..

An African Asks Some Disturbing Questions of Islam

excerpt:

[These three Christian countries, from 300 A.D. to 1500 A.D. had their own written language, great centers of learning, international commerce with Egypt, Ethiopia and other Middle East states, and sent out missionaries to other African states (see K. Milhalowski,Faras, vol.2, Poland, 1965 for extensive archaeological and historical documentation on these states).

Even the Arab, ibn Selim al-Assuani, was impressed when he saw Soba, describing it as having, ...fine buildings, roomy houses, churches, and the land is more fruitful than Makuria...[and it has] much meat, and good horses.

But all this was destroyed by Muslim invaders in 1275 A.D., not European colonialists! The same type of massive destruction happened all over Africa, yet we never hear anyone holding the Muslims responsible! Why? Arab Muslim racism is just as obnoxious as that of the Europeans, so why is it allowed to continue?]

apologies to all for going so far OT..

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BG proves my point ... not only does he ramble, bu...

2007-12-12T17:26:00.000-08:00

BG proves my point ... not only does he ramble, but he uses profanity. And if you read the article, the "thugs" did make references to the Jews Killing Jesus. Doesn't get much more religious than that.

Thank BG, your colorful language is a fine example of the regression of online conversation where some people become unable to communicate like human beings. Go on BG ... what othe expletives do you have to show off.

++clarifying re:not the best source, but itwill he...

2007-12-12T16:49:00.000-08:00

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clarifying re:

not the best source, but it
will help you get started..

was in reference to: Muslim conquests link in previous post..

++Jack @ 4:07 PMyou have a lot of research to do.....

2007-12-12T16:46:00.000-08:00

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Jack @ 4:07 PM

you have a lot of research to do..

juts a few sample's..

The Real History of the Crusades

not the best source, but it
will help you get started..

Muslim conquests

Imperial History of the Middle East

Barbary Wars

aah.. one thing the planet will
never run short on are (_o_)'s..

ps: seems to me you're embarking on a crusade of your own..

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++Anonymous @ 3:59 PM..what the heck are you rambl...

2007-12-12T16:19:00.000-08:00

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Anonymous @ 3:59 PM..

what the heck are you rambling about??

you can't read can you, and if you can.. then you're anti-Christian slip is showing big time.. don't be absurd, Christianity did not attack anyone..

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BTW: There was a time in history when Muslims and ...

2007-12-12T16:07:00.000-08:00

BTW: There was a time in history when Muslims and Jews actually live side-by-side in relative harmony. The the Christian crusaders came in and screwed everything up, destroying price art and burning libraries of irreplaceable knowledge. I'm pretty secular in my beliefs and have noticed a backwards trend in the U.S. to embrace evangelical Christianity. It would be a shame if fascist theocracy took over our government. We'd be no better than the Taliban.

Well ... you know when our country has gone to the...

2007-12-12T15:59:00.000-08:00

Well ... you know when our country has gone to the dogs when it's the good ol American Christians who pervert the meaning of the season by inciting violence.

++God Bless America/ns!! (thumbsup)==

2007-12-12T15:51:00.000-08:00

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God Bless America/ns!! (thumbsup)

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@ OtterI'm guessing his friends and family will co...

2007-12-12T15:49:00.000-08:00

@ Otter

I'm guessing his friends and family will commend him for a good deed. Perhaps if he's vain he'll use it to pick up a girl someday, no different from your average american don't you think?

Your comments based on the false assumption that Islam is fundamentally at odds with Judaism and therefore he'd be condemned for helping a Jew. Not true.

The fact that the man was Muslim shouldn't even matter, just that he jumped in to help another human being out.

Absolutley beautiful!!! It's true what they say "....

2007-12-12T10:57:00.000-08:00

Absolutley beautiful!!! It's true what they say "...Because those who think they can change the world, are those who do." :)

The New York Post quotes thug-with-priors Jirovec:...

2007-12-12T10:08:00.000-08:00

The New York Post quotes thug-with-priors Jirovec: "I'm trying to stay out of trouble," he said."I want to straighten out everything in my life. When I get out, I want to go into the military."

Yeah, sure. That's one ambition that's not going to go very far.