Nutrooters Crooks and Liars discovers that if you can't possibly win an argument over the latest disgusting anti-military, anti-Bush remarks by a Democratic politician...
Then just lie about it.
This is how Crooks and Liars reported the remarks by Rep. Pete Stark said on the House Floor on Thursday:
“I’m just amazed that the Republicans are worried that we can’t pay for insuring an additional 10 million children. They sure don’t care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal War in Iraq."And... Here is what Rep. Pete Stark actually said on the House Floor on Thursday that was so outrageous and offensive:
"President Bush’s statements about children’s health shouldn’t be taken any more seriously than his lies about the War in Iraq. The truth is that that Bush just likes to blow things up – in Iraq, in the United States, and in Congress."
"They sure don't care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where are you going to get that money? Are you going to tell us lies like you're telling us today? Is that how you're going to fund the war? You don't have money to fund the war or children but you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President's amusement."Got that?
In case you need further proof HERE is the video of Rep. Stark's outrageous attacks on the troops (blowing up innocent people), and on President Bush (get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for President's amusement):
Crooks and Liars decided that if they couldn't win the argument they could always just misreport what was said!
Brilliant but Dishonest
Brilliantly Dishonest...
Crooked Liars???
Oh, and it looks like the Kool Aid kids are with them...
In their poll on whether Rep. Pete Stark should apologize for bashing the troops and the president:
99% of the Nutroots say "No!"
UPDATE: Hah! The Crooks & Liars decided to post the full text to Stark's ugly rant later in the day. (That is why I posted the snapshot of their blog earlier.)
They said it was a "problem with coding."
Of course.
UPDATE 2: LGF reports that Crooks & Liars are deleting their comments now as fast as they're posted.
The Jawa Report has more.
That is simply Orwellian. This is the new mainstream of the Democratic party. Get used to it.
ReplyDeleteI hope the Democrats continue their idiocy and outrageous remarks. Remember what happened to Howard Dean? Perhaps by '08 they'll all be foaming at the mouth and ready for the asylum!
ReplyDeleteWe can blame Reagan for one thing: He emptied the mental hospitals and put these freaks on the street.
ReplyDeleteSomebody needs to give Crazy Pete Stark a senility test.
Pete Stark voted "No" on the 1997 budget reconciliation bill that created SCHIP.
Pete Stark should only apologize for misstating "for the presidents amusement". It should have read "for our amusement" otherwise what the hell would the dems have to be so ridicules over? Child health care? Civiifrsyl rights? Starvation in America? What the heck am I thinking. They are truly amusing just being themselves.
ReplyDeletejimmy...
ReplyDeleteI prefer to hope that this is merely the most VERBAL part of the Democratic Party. Hopefully there is still a sane silent majority that won't be cowed by the virulent hate of the nutters.
Mr Clark-
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't look like the "silent majority" in the Democratic Party is much into participating in polls, either.
Seems they're named Crooks and Liars ...
ReplyDelete... for a reason.
Statements and antics like these have really lowered my already diminished impression of the US Congress. I fear that McCain-Feingold may have backed our political process up against the wall, forcing the politicians to become even more enslaved by the special interests.
ReplyDeleteWhen will the respect and civility return to this great institution of freedom?
Prodromos Borboroglu
I've commented there before and they always delete my comments. I don't write anything rude or profane, just disagree with them and they delete it.
ReplyDeleteDeleting comments that disagree with them is considered debate to a nutroot progressive Teresa.
ReplyDeleteYeah, OK, red herring over,
ReplyDeleteLet's get back to Democrat funding,
Specificly Mrs. and Mr. Clintons personal connections with Chinese
"interests".
They did offer a link to video of Stark. I wonder if Crooks and Liars has analyzed their database and found out that the loon left avoids watching actual primary source material (videos) and prefers their news bent?
ReplyDeleteThat 99% are against apology indicates that either no one took time to watch old Piccolo Pete; or the loons are very poorly mannered.
Or both.
teresa, when you have no solid ground on which to stand, you can lie and/or delete the comments of those who point out your idiocy or even those who just disagree with you.
ReplyDeleteCrooksandLiars, indeed.
Starvation in America?
ReplyDeleteAmerica has a plethora of "starving" obese people. An absolute plethora i tell you.
You can look it up.
well, yea.
ReplyDeleteC&L sockpuppets around in his own comments section and delettes arguments he loses.
does anyone care about that fool?
Crooks & Liars is just living up to its name.
ReplyDeletebut the kicker is this one time when one of the editors, having had his sockpuppet lose an argument with me, deleted the entre exchange, i made a big stink about it, pointing to the other commenters stray comments referring to my deleted comments by name and the actual gaps in the comment id's.
ReplyDeletehe told a lie precisely this ballsy: "haloscan always glitches out like that."
progressives preferr to use haloscan , btw, because search spiders don't index the comments section to the url of the blog.
ReplyDeletethey all use techniques like this. progressive bloggers use a lot of "nofollow" and "robots.txt" to prevent their ugly side from showing up in google searches.
EXACTLY why this left coast police officer made a politically CONSERVATIVE music CD called 'Blaming America First!.' The LIbs always do, and I give Hillary, Edwards, Ward Churchill and the rest their due--to music! @
ReplyDeletewww.conservativemusiconline.com
There's a misunderstanding, because multiple (different) YouTube clips of Stark are floating around.
ReplyDeleteGateway Pundit's clip is about 25 seconds. Crooks & Liars' clip is 2+ minutes ( see it here).
C&L quoted 2 paragraphs from Stark's speech, and GP quoted 1. You both seem to have quoted correctly. C&L's quote is merely missing two sets of ellipses.
There is no misunderstanding. The story is about specific and widely repeated quotes made by Stark. That C&L is ignoring the entire story and insterting its own, different quotes is irrelevant, and dishonest.
ReplyDeleteC&L are a bunch of idiots, but to their credit, they embedded a video showing exactly what you're complaining about. You're being as disingenuous as them.
ReplyDeleteC&L are a bunch of idiots, but to their credit, they embedded a video showing exactly what you're complaining about. You're being as disingenuous as them.
ReplyDeleteSo if someone I support says something stupid, all I have to do is find a clip of him saying something else, all is forgiven?
Brilliant.
I can't think of a single thing Stark said that was wrong. Innocent people have died in Iraq--and at the hands. It's just a simple fact.
ReplyDeleteLeft out..."and at the hands of US troops.
ReplyDeleteSo...crooks and liars are...LIARS?
ReplyDeleteI have run into some comments in making my rounds to Reich-Wing blogs, that Stark was out of line saying Bush was blowing the heads off our troops for his amusement. Well, nit-picking can only take you so far. Let's just say Bush was joking about not finding any WMD's while our troops were getting their heads blown off.
ReplyDeletecupples,
ReplyDeletehere's the headline at the C&L peice:
"Ring Wing goes bonkers over Rep. Pete Stark’s comments"
in order to avoid the charge of dishonesty, amato was obligated show those comments over which the "ring wing" went "bonkers".
instead, he chose to show some other comments made by stark which were not apparently obnoxious and malign, and over which the republicans consequently did not go "bonkers".
he made this choice deliberately in order to lie to his audience; to tell them that "ring wingers" are going "bonkers" over fairly standard anti-war rhetoric, when in fact, us on the "ring" take legitimate offence at starks imputation that president bush derives amusement and satisfaction from deaths in iraq, among other conceits.
the irony here is that of course this sort of rhetoric in which people who disagree with progressives are portrayed as monsters who enjoy suffering like they were vampires, or are nazis and such, is itself fairly standard anti-war rhetoric.
amato's commenting community is an orgy of such seething, irrational hatred of the political "other" and they are fed by john every quarter hour with red meat of precisely this sort of loaded, deceptive composition.
john amato lies, and you are acting here as his stooge.
vigilante,
ReplyDeleteright. that's way germane. nitpicking indeed.
say, how's randy rohdes revovering from that beating she suffered at the hands of "reichwingers"?
progressives do not pause betweeen one lie and the next.
Hi Tom B,
ReplyDeleteI see what you're saying. The only way around it would have been for C&L (and Gateway Pundit) to quote ALL paragraphs. What C&L did print was pretty inflamatory, so I doubt C&L was trying to soften anything.
Most people don't quote whole speeches: I DON'T think Gateway Pundit lied when printing only one paragraph, and I don't think C&L lied when printing two different ones.
I may have misunderstood, but in the longer YouTube clip, Stark says something to the effect that Bush wants to send innocent Americans (when they're old enough)to war to get their heads blown off. He also said that innocent Iraqis have been killed.
The longer YouTube might be worth another listen.
muckdog, what was the name of that bill?
ReplyDeleteCrooks and Liars is pretty bad. Amaro is a left wing loon. But right wing sites can be just as bad. Try saying something 'liberal' on FreeRepublic or argue against JimRob and see how long you last. You cant even be for Giuliani, who may be the nominee, and post on that site.
ReplyDeleteYou guys are getting all worked up over a fake blog. Crooks & Liars is what's known as a left gatekeeper blog; their job is to pretend to be leftist (earning their "credibility" with plenty of Bush-bashing) and then use that "credibility" to manage discourse, diverting discussion away from areas most harmful to the regime. They will take things right up to the edge but they know how much they can say and what they can't say. On the most important issues they are obfuscators and distractors, discourse channelers, not genuine leftists. Just like Daily Kos, Huffington Post, MyDD, Democratic Underground, Moxie Grrrl, Educational Whisper, The American Prospect, Mother Jones, Salon, The Nation, Sadly No!, My Left Wing, etc. These kind of sites, though appearing to foam at the mouth with vitriol against the right wingers, are actually doing the regime a favor by limiting discussion on matters to keep it within parameters safe for the regime. If you don't believe me, try posting something on for example Crooks & Liars that says: People in the reality-based community should have no problem whatsoever in realizing that the uppermost portion of a skyscraper is not going to be able to "fall" into and THROUGH the remaining vast majority of solid building as quickly, meaning as effortlessly as falling through air without something else (i.e. explosives) reducing said majority of building to such a state of offering no more resistance than air. Can we all agree on that? Sounds pretty straightforward; solid things offer vastly more resistance than air. Anyone who graduated elementary school SHOULD be able to grasp this, and SHOULD be able to therefore grasp that the Twin Towers and WTC # 7 building had to have been controlled demolitions. It is literally COMMON SENSE.
ReplyDeleteSee what happens. I'll tell you what happens: Anyone posting on Crooks & Liars who says anything that in any way questions the impossible official myth of 9/11 gets banned from commenting.
Want to see how Markos Moulitsas of Daily Kos fame has ties to the C.I.A.? Read here:
http://www.thehollywoodliberal.com/2007/08/11/more-on-the-daily-kos-cia-connection/
http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/06/06-06zuniga-audio.html
http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=17528
http://wheres-my-left-wing.blogspot.com/
Want to see how Kos does the same shit as Crooks & Liars, covering up for the mass murdering clique who brought us the 9/11 inside job? Check here:
http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/daily-kos-outs-itself-as-controlled.html
So you conservatives should be glad. The establishment doesn't NEED to create phony gatekeeper blogs for you guys, since you are ALREADY spouting the establishment's talking points. They've already got you; it's only on the liberal side of the aisle where they practice discourse control, so enjoy your free speech conservatives. You guys are free to say whatever you want; us on the Left have to contend with not only you asshats but the establishment's gatekeepers planted in our midst to keep the discussions from veering into dangerous territory. So just be glad you aren't able to think for yourselves.
Muckdog: actually, it was Carter who approved he legislation deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill, the ill effects of which became apparent under Reagan. That's how it works - there is always a time lag. If you want to know how good a President was, look to see how easy a time his successor had.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said: "Can we all agree on that? Sounds pretty straightforward; solid things offer vastly more resistance than air. Anyone who graduated elementary school SHOULD be able to grasp this, and SHOULD be able to therefore grasp that the Twin Towers and WTC # 7 building had to have been controlled demolitions. It is literally COMMON SENSE."
Congratulations on your graduation from elementary school. Maybe some day you'll go to an actual university and study structural mechanics and get an f'ing clue.
Gee, I watched the video and Stark did say exactly what both of you said. Neither of you posted his complete statement, but it's incorrect to say that C&L lied about what he said, because he did say exactly that.
ReplyDeleteYou both just chose to excerpt different parts. Who is being dishonest here?
"We can blame Reagan for one thing: He emptied the mental hospitals and put these freaks on the street."
ReplyDeleteActually, one Mr. James Earl Carter deserves credit.
Big Dave said: "Pete Stark should only apologize for misstating "for the presidents amusement". It should have read "for our amusement" otherwise what the hell would the dems have to be so ridicules over? Child health care? Civiifrsyl rights? Starvation in America?"...
ReplyDeleteWhat the heck is this: "Civiifrsyl rights?
BTW Big Dave, just how many of these alledgedly starving Americans and brats without healthcare are YOU personally covering with money out of YOUR wallet?
Just asking is all...
Another thing to consider regarding the whole S-CHIP scam, why have it in the first place when we already have another well established rip off of the taxpayers in place called Medicaid?
Isn't 10 percent of the program’s total cost nationwide—a waste of $30 billion a year enough?
The CBO estimates 34 percent of the children who would gain SCHIP or Medicaid coverage under the bill otherwise would have some type of private insurance...
muckdog,
ReplyDeleteYou tend to forget that the libtards are the ones who made laws making it virtually impossible to commit someone to a mental institution short of them being a psychopathic mass murderer.
As to Rep. Stark "apologising"...
Why bother pushing for one. He meant every single word he said.
I mean every word of the following, too.
Rep. Stark, Just remember that Karma works. And you have just bought yourself a whole hog pen full of bad Karma.
Anonymous said... Some nut-ball things about the towers.
ReplyDeleteI am absolutely fed up with this crap. So to all the truthers out there - everyone has seen and heard this convoluted swill you spew out of your feeble minds. We've heard it over and over and over. Your continued baying at the moon only provides further evidence that you're paranoid idiots. The whole world is not against you. It's just that, after reviewing the SAME evidence ourselves and, having rational, sound, and logical minds, (something you quite obviously lack) we've come to realize that all of you are completely nuts.
Because of your continued yapping, literally everyone is now convinced that you all have mental and emotional issues. You've gone far beyond being clowns to being real pains in the ass. You are the joke and the joke is not funny anymore. Don't you realize that THIS is the reason you can't post your crap anywhere now except on the walls of your own troll caves? We've heard you, asked you to be quiet, yet you never shut up!
Something has happened in the life of each you that causes you to latch onto every major event that comes along and find spooks and monsters in every corner. This-is-not-normal. It-is-abnormal. It's called schiz·o·phre·ni·a - which is: "Any of a group of psychotic disorders usually characterized by withdrawal from reality, illogical patterns of thinking, delusions, and hallucinations, and accompanied in varying degrees by other emotional, behavioral, or intellectual disturbances."
This definition fits each of you to a tee. It fits every cockamamie theory your delusional minds have come up with. You are heroes and saviors of the world only in your soggy and limped dreams. You are sorry, sad fools to the rest of the world.
Please take your lithium or whatever it is that your doctor prescribed. If you don't' have a shrink, find one. They can help you lead a normal, happy life.
And until you get help, just shut the fu.. up. If I had a blog, I'd delete you too. And there would be no conspiracy behind it. I am just sick of your irrational, paranoid ranting.
Have a nice day.
"I can't think of a single thing Stark said that was wrong. Innocent people have died in Iraq--and at the hands - ..."and at the hands of US troops."...
ReplyDeleteWell innocent Americans have died at the hands of libtards in this country and not just once either yet apparently that doesn't bother you, right?
Michael J. Mathias: Innocent people have died at the hands of US troops. This is true. It was also true during WWII. Does that mean that US troops fought WWII just so FDR could get off on watching his soldiers die? No. Similarly, saying that innocent people have died in Iraq ignores two things: (1) many, many more innocent Iraqis have died at the hands of the insurgents; and (2) just because innocent people have died in Iraq doesn't mean we're there only to kill innocent people.
ReplyDeletebill w: The difference is, C&L portrayed the Republicans as being upset over a comment they're not actually upset about. Then they include the whole clip. Nevertheless, they are focusing on some of Stark's less objectionable comments and saying the right-wing bloggers are going nuts over it, when right-wing bloggers are actually going nuts over his most objectionable comment, the one quoted here. C&L didn't lie about what he said, they lied about what we're angry about.
Mr. Controlled Demolitions: If you want to tell me how the heck they would cover up all the effort required to set up a controlled demolition in what was one of the most crowded places in the world (actually, two of the most crowded buildings of the world), then tell me how an exploding plane doesn't exert enough force to cause building collapse, go on ahead. Till then, I'll assume you're a moron like all the other conspiracy theorists.
And if you spout theories like this at those lefty blogs, including the one that they're just stooges for Bush pretending to hate him, somehow I'm not surprised you get banned. Your "tests" are self-fulfilling prophecy: "Look! I got a comment deleted for saying something that's obviously not true! Therefore the whole blog is set up to keep me from exercising my freedom of speech! And therefore ALL the left-wing blogs are doing this! Because there's no way at all that I could SET UP MY OWN BLOG, which isn't dominated by the mean tyrannical government, to spout my conspiracy theories! Aren't I smart!"
juandos: I heard it at something like 72% (of children who would have private insurance without the SCHIP expansion), but I can't find the source.
Good for Pete Stark! The GOP tries to make itself out to be the Party of Life but all it can do is back Pres. Fredo's failure in Iraq.
ReplyDeleteNinja edit:
ReplyDelete"juandos: I heard that 72% of the children who would be covered by this expansion would have private insurance without it."
Steve J: It's not a failure just yet. Read Michael Yon, who's over in Iraq right now covering what's actually going on on the ground. Supposedly, thanks to the recent Anbar and Shi'a Awakenings, Iraq is improving at a rapid pace. Baghdad's still a problem, but outlying areas are doing relatively well. Here's the url:
ReplyDeletehttp://michaelyon.blogspot.com/
Bill: Gee, I watched the video and Stark did say exactly what both of you said. Neither of you posted his complete statement, but it's incorrect to say that C&L lied about what he said, because he did say exactly that.
ReplyDeleteNo.
C&L buried the offending statement in a 2 min vid. They excerpted a less offensive statement and implied it was the source of the outrage. Deceptive and dishonest, as are those who insist they don't understand what C&L did.
Quite similar to the way Media Splatters took two words out of context re: Limbaugh and tried to pretend he said something he didn't say.
ReplyDeleteThis is a well-worn tactic of the leftwingnut blogosphere - selective transcript editing - and selective outrage when the full transcripts are revealed to the public.
Hell, even PELOSI denounced this drunk, incoherent garbage.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SCISEO0&show_article=1
You LOSE, leftwingnuts.
Steve: The GOP tries to make itself out to be the Party of Life but all it can do is back Pres. Fredo's failure in Iraq.
ReplyDeletePlease ask your college for a refund. Iraq is not a "failure". You should stop swallowing MSM propaganda and get real info from the likes of Micheal Yon and Totten.
Saddam has been deposed, tried, and executed. Iraq has given up its WMD programs. They have a new consitution and government. Three free elections to date. Sunni turning on Al Queda. Radical Islam finally revealed to their own as the cowardly apostates they are. Security and rebuilding gradually getting better and better as the surge drives terrorists into the open to be killed and captured.
Of course, I'm certain you and your kind would have gone to your knees after the first casualty reports on D-Day. You don't have the patience or will American's once had. Your kind even hopes for a failure so you can use our defeat for political opportunism back in the US. Fricken weasels.
Same with the Left: they *claim* to believe in civil rights, seperation of church and state, woman's suffrage, gay rights - but refuse to defend them against a radical theocracy. Cowards and hypocrites all.
You don't deserve to be free. Go back to your decafe lattes and MTV and cheap oil economy. Thump your chest about how "evil" war is, how you "believe" in World Peace [so you can feel better about your selfishness]. I mean, what do you care if the arab world suffers tyranny and opression to satisfy your bloated appetites? You've got YOUR Civil Liberties, so screw them, right?
Michael J. Mathias: I can't think of a single thing Stark said that was wrong. Innocent people have died in Iraq--and at the hands of US troops. It's just a simple fact.
ReplyDeleteAlso a simple fact: Stark is implying US troops DELIBERATELY target innocent people. And merely for the president's amusement. Can you "think" of a single thing Stark said that was wrong now?
Problem with coding my, well, you know.
ReplyDeleteCrooks and Liars are nothing but, well, crooks and liars.
Didn't they prove it?
Fen Said: Your kind even hopes for a failure so you can use our defeat for political opportunism back in the US. Fricken weasels.
ReplyDeleteHear, Hear! Very well said and very true ... your entire post.
HAHA Yeah the left is soo stupid. I mean they don't have the common sense to fight a good fight. Maybe they should find some brain damaged 12 year olds to beat up on. Then they could be tough guys like the right!
ReplyDeleteI do like your snapshot though. It doesn't show the entire post, so there isn't actual proof. What your evidence *does* show is the fact that the video was posted. Is the right's comprehension level so low that they can not only watch a video and hear what is said, but they also need it spelled out? That's pretty much what it looks like from here.
anonymous @ 8:53 PM asked: "juandos: I heard it at something like 72% (of children who would have private insurance without the SCHIP expansion), but I can't find the source"...
ReplyDeleteHey A, I assume you looked at the supposedly non-partisan CBO report and the way its worded leaves more questions than answers...
Cheryl Smith and Robert E. Moffit, Ph.D. of the Heritage Foundation penned the following (August 1, 2007) you might find interesting: The House SCHIP Bill: Cutting Medicare, Undercutting Private Coverage, and Expanding Dependency
Expands Government Health Coverage to Middle-Income Adults and Fosters Greater Dependency on Government. The authors of the House bill repudiate the original intent of the program: SCHIP is no longer limited to low-income persons or to children. House sponsors achieve this expansion by simply redefining both "low-income" and "children." Under the bill, eligibility for government coverage would be extended to families with incomes up to 400 percent above the federal poverty level (FPL)—$82,600 for a family of four—hardly considered low-income by any reasonable standard.[5] The House policy is transparently absurd: 89 percent of all children between 300 percent and 400 percent of the FPL are enrolled in private health insurance; 77 percent of all children between 200 percent and 300 percent of the FPL are enrolled in private health insurance; and 50 percent of all children between 100 percent and 200 percent of the FPL are enrolled in private health insurance.[6]
What's thoroughly hysterical about the S-CHIP scam is that according to a note to Rep. Charlie Rangel from the CBO a large portion of the funding depends on people using tabacco products and considering how the libtards are pushing non-smoking laws all over the country, I see a problem developing that can only mean it will be solved by higher taxes somewhere else...
S-CHIP expansion is not about 'the children'
A Heritage Foundation study found that a leading S-CHIP expansion proposal would actually give "free" (taxpayer-funded) coverage to some families considered so wealthy they will have to pay the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). Levied on high-income households, the AMT was created to block "the rich" from avoiding their fair share of taxes.
Consider watching this Heritage Foundation video: The Conservative Approach to Helping Uninsured Children
No wonder real estate is so high...
ReplyDeleteglass houses, now with sound proofing.
I've posted there frequently and I can say that for the most part the bloggers there are all honest people. They know I'm not even close to being a liberal and allow me to post as long as I follow their rules, which is no flaming and no long flame wars. To be sure, there have more than their share of wacko commenters, but still quite a few really good people who can get past their own anger to have intelligent conversations.
ReplyDeleteAs to the Pete Stark video, I didn't watch it to see if anything was omitted, but I can tell you they have frequent technical problems, which is understandable with the number of videos they display. And they don't always delete you if you post somewhat politely trying to set the record straight.
Need a chuckle? Read Mark Steyn's Stark Raving Madmen - Democrat Tourette’s syndrome gone wild
ReplyDeleteI'm a little p****d at C&L now. They deleted all of my comments, called them off-topic or trolling, then left all the comments saying "right-wingnuts are b******s" and the like. Gee, people, I'm sorry I didn't know there was an update problem, but maybe if you'd gotten things right the first time there wouldn't have been a mistake. Just because there's video that shows the best and worst (mostly worst) of what Stark actually said doesn't mean that using sanitized quotes in a post about Republicans getting angry about Stark's worst lines isn't wrong. If they want issues, I'll give 'em issues:
ReplyDelete1. Most wars have been "illegal", strictly speaking. Hell, Clinton fought one or two of 'em.
2. Saying that we're spending $200 billion on Iraq but not $35 billion on healthcare ignores the fact that the $200 billion is already committed, unless we want to pull out - and why pull out when we're starting to win? (Of course, they still think it's hopeless, that our only choice is to pull out, etc etc etc...and then they say that we don't understand the horrors of war because we want to stay and fight. Go figure.) When you fight, other bits of the budget necessarily get squeezed - why expand the program now, when we're fighting?
3. Well, Stark makes no real point about SCHIP (just "OMG 10 MILLION CHILDREN"), so I don't feel all that obliged to answer him there. Except his point that SCHIP would work through private insurance companies, which could retain free-market pressures or could lead to a Lockheed-type situation, and I don't know enough to dispute that point. And there's other reasons why I'd vote against SCHIP if I could, like the whole "we'll pay for it with cigarettes" issue.
Of course, what I've written would probably still be deleted, given their attitude towards the rest of what I said.
Yay Pete.
ReplyDeleteI see nothing he should apologize for.
You want to complain about C&L when we have a Prez that is ingaging in some much illegal activity everyday. There are thousands of other things you should be upset about. After all the fuck ups the Prez has done and you are worried about C&L? Please! How about all the men, woman and children that have died under Prez Monkey Boy. BUSH IS THE DEVIL!!!! Please people wake the fuck up! Stop being blinded by the Right Wing Nuts. I'm not left or right wing. But if you want to talk CRAZY, the right is the poster child for Crazy!!!!
ReplyDelete