The very liberal Seattle Post-Intelligencer finds the detention of terrorists at Gitmo equal to the slamming of planes into skyscrapers:
Most Americans have had their fill of hearing awful truths about their government. But that doesn't mean we get to ignore the facts. Among those things we may be sick of hearing about is our detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The way our government has treated detainees since we embarked on this "war on terror" constitutes nothing short of creating its own form of terrorism and unleashing it upon an entire population(?)Who do you suppose they are talking about there?
It's not clear which "entire population" they are talking about.
More:
The latest Amnesty International report slams the U.S. (among other countries) for failing to uphold human rights standards. "With breathtaking legal obfuscation, the U.S. administration has continued its efforts to weaken the absolute prohibition against torture and other ill treatment," reads the report. "The U.S. president authorized the CIA to continue secret detention and interrogation, although they amount to the international crime of enforced disappearance. Hundreds of prisoners in Guantanamo and Bagram, and thousands in Iraq, continued to be detained without charge or trial, many for more than six years." Guantanamo cells are so grim that the group is taking a replica of one on a show-and-tell tour, torturers not included, to show us what our tax dollars are paying for.
This country's credibility is horribly, possibly irreparably, damaged.
Unbelievable. Stuff I used to see in anarchist newspapers 20 years ago is an editorial page opinion in a supposedly mainstream newspaper.
ReplyDeleteWe are so screwed.
Well at least if they are tortured, they have full health coverage. Wah!
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ReplyDeleteNo we aren't.
Money talks and bullshit walks.
Within 10 years most of these moonbat papers like the New York Times, Seattle P-I and the Minneapolis Red Star and Tribune will be out of business. The CBS News division is on it's last legs-it is trying to merge with CNN.
You see, Capitalism is a harsh mistress and does not suffer fools lightly. They can not stay in business if they can not pay their bills, can they?
Remember, kids: Jimmycrap Hoftwad never ever ever gives you all the facts. He refers to the detainees in Guantanamo as 'terrorists', as though the question of their guilt has been settled. Well, not so much...
ReplyDeleteREPORT ON GUANTANAMO DETAINEES: A Profile of 517 Detainees through Analysis of Department of Defense Data
"1. Fifty-five percent (55%) of the detainees are not determined to have committed any hostile acts against the United States or its coalition allies.
2. Only 8% of the detainees were characterized as al Qaeda fighters. Of the remaining detainees, 40% have no definitive connection with al Qaeda at all and 18% are have no definitive affiliation with either al Qaeda or the Taliban.
3. The Government has detained numerous persons based on mere affiliations with a large number of groups that in fact, are not on the Department of Homeland Security terrorist watchlist. Moreover, the nexus between such a detainee and such organizations varies considerably. Eight percent are detained because they are deemed “fighters for;” 30% considered “members of;” a large majority – 60% -- are detained merely because they are “associated with” a group or groups the Government asserts are terrorist organizations. For 2% of the prisoners their nexus to any terrorist group is unidentified.
4. Only 5% of the detainees were captured by United States forces. 86% of the detainees were arrested by either Pakistan or the Northern Alliance and turned over to United States custody. This 86% of the detainees captured by Pakistan or the Northern Alliance were handed over to the United States at a time in which the United States offered large bounties for capture of suspected enemies."
Tell us, Jimmycrap -- what does the Amnesty International report say that is false?
Tell us, Jimmycrap.
Jimmycrap?
Jimmycrap?
Jimmycrap?
So let me get this straight....
ReplyDeleteFree prayer rugs, beads, and korans.
3 square islamic meals daily...
Free healthcare better than most Americans citizens receive....
The average detainee has gained over 13 pounds during their stay....
Wow!!! That is torture.
I guess the fact that almost every single detainee freed has later been picked up on another terrorist battlefield means they were innocent in the beginning.
OR
Maybe they just wanted more of that good food back at that tropical paradise GITMO.
See, folks. The Marxists (exemplified by meatbrain, here) cannot allow that there are ANY terrorists in the entire world, and if there are, they have good cause to perform acts of terror, and if the do perform acts of terror, they are very, very sorry, and they were justified to begin with, so there. However, there are exactly zero terrorists, and besides, George Bush is the real terrorist. HE knocked the towers down. Remember, there are no terrorists.
ReplyDeleteMeatbrain, if you had to choose, would you rather be an Al Qaeda fighter captured by the US and held at GITMO, or yourself, captured by Al-Q militants? How would you compare and contrast the treatment you might receive?
Remember, folks, Meathead never met a fact he couldn't ignore or twist to appear to mean something else. The view through that cloudy plexiglass bellybutton of his retards his vision of the real world. Of course, the atmosphere in there probably has an effect on his (purported) thinking capacity as well.
ReplyDeleteBesides, I'd be happier if we gave those guys what the Geneva Conventions prescribe: drumhead trials on the battlefield followed by execution by firing squad.
The Stalinists like Meathead can twist all they like, the facts are still clear. (Well, to those of us whose heads aren't entirely embedded in our anal canals.)
Meatbrain, gosh, what a perfect name for that braindead idiot.
ReplyDeleteLet's let them go, its not like they get out and commit terror attacks....oh wait.....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24504862/
http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2004nn/0410nn/041018nn.htm#575
Yes, the prisons are "SO BAD" that some are even fighting their release....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2169795.ece
Meathead, you are a braindead loser, you suck at life.
"The Marxists (exemplified by meatbrain, here) cannot allow that there are ANY terrorists in the entire world, and if there are, they have good cause to perform acts of terror, and if the do perform acts of terror, they are very, very sorry, and they were justified to begin with, so there. However, there are exactly zero terrorists, and besides, George Bush is the real terrorist. HE knocked the towers down. Remember, there are no terrorists."
ReplyDeleteWhat a lovely -- and entirely transparent -- straw man 'elector' has constructed. It's a pretty typical tactic for someone who's afraid to discuss the facts -- as most wingnuts are.
October 18, 2004
ReplyDeleteASSOCIATED PRESS
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041018-124854-2279r.htm
At least seven former prisoners of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have returned to terrorism, despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to renounce violence.
At least two are believed to have died in fighting in Afghanistan, and a third was recaptured during a raid on a suspected training camp in Afghanistan, said Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico, a Pentagon spokesman. Others are at large.
Additional former detainees have expressed a desire to rejoin the fight, be it against U.N. peacekeepers in Afghanistan, Americans in Iraq or Russians in Chechnya.
U.S. officials released 146 detainees from Guantanamo, but only after determining the prisoners no longer posed threats and had no remaining intelligence value..."
Meathead would say, "only 7 have returned to terror?"
Moron!
"Meathead never met a fact he couldn't ignore or twist to appear to mean something else."
ReplyDeleteExactly what fact did I twist, Dave?
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Well it seems that hemorrhoid head is back with yet another gay stalking of Jim and the expected witless whine...
ReplyDeleteThe fool then offers up as some sort of NON credible info from a known dim-wit-o-crat who contributes money to the party of the Seditious & Sleazy...
Then the fool goes on and bleats about Amnesty International as if they were credible...
So with his usual moronic panache we get nothing from this oxygen bandit other than a bit of entertainment...
What exactly does the Seton Hall report say that is false, juandos?
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly does the Amnesty International report say that is false, juandos?
Stop your vague fact-free mumbling about what is and is not credible, and start providing facts, juandos.
You won't, of course. You lack the balls to get involved in any discussion in which you have to provide facts to back up your claims.
Crawl back under your rock now, slimeass. You got nothing.
It wasn't Seton Hall meat troller it was a dim-wit-o-crat who wrote that bit of drivel you cited...
ReplyDeleteSince it was a dim-wit-o-crat he like you has absolutely no credibility...
The facts always undercut your stance and that of any dim-wit-o-crat...
BTW Seton Hall is a fecal pit of liberal bias anyway so again, no credibility...
The a-holes at Amnesty International have been fisked so often that you have to be an absolute liar to deny their lack of crediblity...
Why don't you do some homework first before you decide to make a fool of yourself publically...
Specifics, slimeass. What specific "bit of drivel" are you referring to? Who specifically wrote it, by name?
ReplyDeleteFACTS, juandos. Your fact-free blathering is meaningless and worthless. FACTS. FACTS. FACTS.
What exactly does the Seton Hall report say that is false, juandos?
FACTS, juandos. Your fact-free blathering is meaningless and worthless. FACTS. FACTS. FACTS.
What exactly does the Amnesty International report say that is false, juandos?
FACTS, juandos. Your fact-free blathering is meaningless and worthless. FACTS. FACTS. FACTS.
Run away, gutless jackwad. You fear discussions that involve facts. Such discussions literally terrify you.
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This country's credibility is horribly, possibly irreparably, damaged.
ReplyDeleteHuh? According to the dudes at the Seattle "Pissed-Unintelligencer" (and Meatbrain), our country's credibility has already been horribly and irreparably damaged beyond repair as a result of Vietnam--and that was over 30 years ago.
So, Meatie, how is it possible to further damage what is totally, and irrevocably, damaged already? If we're beyond salvation, why should we give a f*** about what Amnesty International or anybody else thinks? If we're going to get hanged anyway for stealing a goat, we might as we steal a pig too.
As for the Seattle boys, I'd love to see these hipster doofuses in a state pen chatting up guys named "Bubba":
"Yeah, newbie, I'm very impressed that you have 'journalistic credibility.' Now, show some more credibility by handing me that jar of Vaseline and grabbing your ankles."
"Huh? According to the dudes at the Seattle "Pissed-Unintelligencer" (and Meatbrain), our country's credibility has already been horribly and irreparably damaged beyond repair as a result of Vietnam--and that was over 30 years ago."
ReplyDeleteOf course, I've never said anything of the sort -- and I'd bet that Markie here can't show us anything from the SPI that makes that claim, either.
But Markie, I do want to thank you for instantly destroying your own credibility with your idiotic attempt at yet another straw man.
Stay stupid, Markie. As we both know, you really don't have any choice.