Barack Obama gave a speech where he said, "We are no longer a Christian nation."
In an interview to Christian News Network:
"I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism. Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers..."Just words?
Extreme Mortman posted this ad that was playing in South Dakotah:
Hat Tip BG
It was nice of him not to G-damn America from the pulpit like his pastor does while he was standing up there.
An observation-- There have always been Jews, non-belivers, etc. in America. Why is it so important for The Uniter to bring this back up now?
UPDATE: As BG would say-- "It looks like the Obama Sweepers made that last video go 'poof'."
So I am posting this other video where he gave the same speech in a church last year.
UPDATE 2: Apparently, Obama is no boy genius here. George Washington wrote something along these lines to the Jewish Community back in 1790.
Hat Tip Larwyn
UPDATE 3: World Net Daily has more on Obama's non-Christian nation.
UPDATE: As Joshua would say-- "It looks like the Obama Sweepers made that last video go 'poof'."
ReplyDeletethis happens all the time.
obama's leftist supporters are as supportive of free speech as their comrades - like fidel and mugabe and the red chinese.
The obamster's tone and inflection don't suggest that losing the basis of our founding is a bad thing. I believe he is secretly happy. Socialism and Christianity cannot exist in concert.
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ReplyDeletejust because he says it..
DOESN'T MAKE IT SO..
we may have Muslims, Atheists, etc..
we may have "freedom of religion".. the choice to worship or not, ie: Islam, Atheism, etc..
but the bottom line is..
we are NOT a MUSLIM nation!!
we are NOT an ATHEIST nation!!
we ARE a Christian nation!!
OBAMA'S SPEECH IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW SHARIA CREEP WORKS!!
i will NOT stand for Obama wiping CHRISTIANITY off the map!!
i will NOT stand for Obama wiping ISRAEL off the map!!
i will NOT stand for Obama wiping AMERICA off the map!!
and i will NOT stand by while Obama lays the cornerstone in the foundation of an Islamarxist Caliphate..
PERIOD!!
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ReplyDeleteps re: bg @ 9:45 AM..
i dare him to say that to our TROOPS face.. you know, the ones who are fighting so that MUSLIMS can have "freedom of religion" in their own nations, gah!!
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Just another example of the Left's disdain for "God-botherers."
ReplyDeleteYou'd think sooner or later it wpuld bite him in the ass. Probably too much later.
Obama President in 2009, buyer's remorse before 2010.
Obama needs an education, we're are a nation of religious freedom built on Christian-Judeo philosophy. The majority faith is Christian, why does this disturb Obama?
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discussion re: Obama policy/race..
Orlando Patterson and Glenn C. Loury
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"OBAMA'S SPEECH IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW SHARIA CREEP WORKS!!"...
ReplyDeleteWell said bg!
A quick googling for an idea of just how Christian this country might be brought up the following: Religious identification in the U.S.: How American adults view themselves
We of course have to remember who Obama has to pander to, this clique of clowns and these people of questionable intelligence...
great catch as always.
ReplyDeleteThis interview,from last year, is basically Obama with his pants down.
But what do we see, the crescent moon or the hammer and sickle?
For sure, I see that Obama thinks that the basic values upon which our country was built and that continue to fuel our successes are outdated and need to be replaced with something else...
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ReplyDeletebryan @ 2:42 PM..
But what do we see, the crescent
moon or the hammer and sickle?
both..
Hussein Obama's Embracement Of The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology
Barack Obama, Nation of Islam and Black Liberation Theology
[My point is that the Nation of Islam is no joke. They have been very clear that they want this country to be destroyed. They have also been very clear that they hate white America which by the way still account for 74% of the US population. Malcom X made it as clear as ever (before he left NOI) when he said “…even those Americans who are blinded by childlike patriotism can see that it is only a matter of time before White America too will be utterly destroyed by her own sins, and all traces of her former glory will be removed from this planet forever.”]
Amin al-Husseini
Hitler, The Mufti Of Jerusalem And Modern Islamo Nazism
Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
[Understanding that black liberation theology is Marxism dressed up to look like Christianity helps explain why there is no conflict between Cone's "Christianity" and Farrakhan's "Nation of Islam." They are two prophets in the same philosophical (Marxist) pod, merely using different religions as backdrops for their black-power aims.]
so much info, so little time to stop the Obamessiah..
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aww, what's wrong buffalobutt @ 5:02 PM..
Mommy's home & you have to be quiet, so
you're looking for something else to slap??
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meatbrains, the gifts that keeps on giving!
ReplyDeleteTo call BLT Christianity is to stretch definitions and credulity way beyond the breaking point. I doubt if anyone can find any doctrinal or values overlap, beyond a few nominal nods in the direction of the Trinity. But it is BLT teaching that if God declines to aid in the destruction of whitey, God is an enemy, too.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how Obama's statement is at all controversial other than perhaps erroneously implying that America ever was a "Christian Nation."
ReplyDeleteAmerica's Founding philosophy holds that the country is for all who believe in God, including Muslims. Indeed, even atheists are entitled to equal rights. Though the Founders did do a lot of public supplications to a somewhat generically defined warm "Providence."
As John Adams put it:
“It has pleased the Providence of the first Cause, the Universal Cause, that Abraham should give religion not only to Hebrews but to Christians and Mahomitans, the greatest part of the modern civilized world.”
– John Adams to M.M. Noah, July 31, 1818.
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ReplyDeletenegative, attacking, & just plain wrong:
["Whatever we once were, we're no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers," - BHO]
what does he he mean "whatever"??
WE WERE A CHRISTIAN NATION!!
what does he mean "no longer"??
WE ARE STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION!!
what does he mean "at least not just"??
and even though i believe he would still be wrong.. why can't Obama bring himself to say..
AMERICA IS NOT JUST A CHRISTIAN NATION??
positive, uplifting & just plain right:
["Freedom of religion is one of America's greatest attributes. And albiet America was founded as a Judeo-Christian nation, America is also a nation that is welcoming of and home to many people's of numerous other faiths as well as those who hold themselves to no faith, all living together under one roof as family."]
or a simile thereof..
ps: i know Obama can recite the Muslim call to prayer, but what i'd like to know is.. has Obama ever uttered the words "God Bless America" in any of his speeches, or at any time, anywhere ever in public??
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um...all the weird history aside, can one of you clarify something from the original post above:
ReplyDeleteFirst, Obama says we aren't just a Christian nation. Much foaming at the mouth ensues on this website, some in readable English.
Then, it's supposed to be embarrassing because George Washington said the same thing? I detect a slight inconsistency there.
Major figures in American history who have stated--unequivocally--that the United States is not a Christian nation:
James Madison
George Washington
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
Rufus King
Abraham Lincoln
et a whole bunch of alii.
If you want to winge about Obama paraphrasing Founding Fathers, go ahead, but wipe the spit off your monitors and work for a bit of principled consistency.
Worship all you like, and worship what you like, but this is a secular nation; no religious test means no religious test. Time for you people to grow up.
Bokonon
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[Then, it's supposed to be embarrassing because George Washington said the same thing? I detect a slight inconsistency there.]
exactly.. not to mention all the Christian bashing Bush took for expressing his beliefs, but i digress..
[Worship all you like, and worship what you like, but this is a secular nation; no religious test means no religious test. Time for you people to grow up.]
i feel the same way..
and who the heck said anything about a test??
re: [First, Obama says we aren't just a Christian nation. Much foaming at the mouth ensues on this website, some in readable English.]
then why did Obama feel the necessity to say what he said (in somewhat understandable English) in the first place??
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[James Madison
George Washington
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
Rufus King
Abraham Lincoln]
with the exception of Rufus King..
please name one US President who did not inextricably reference God (by any other name) to country in their Inauguration speech??
ie: James Madison
[In these my confidence will under every difficulty be best placed, next to that which we have all been encouraged to feel in the guardianship and guidance of that Almighty Being whose power regulates the destiny of nations, whose blessings have been so conspicuously dispensed to this rising Republic, and to whom we are bound to address our devout gratitude for the past, as well as our fervent supplications and best hopes for the future.]
ps: i'm hoping to make it to 64 this year, so it may be too late for me to grow up..
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The quotation from Madison is good because it well illustrates the rather generic supplications to God that the American Founder/Presidents made. Sure Christians can hear the phrase "Almighty Being" and think this was their God, but so too could Jews, Muslims, Unitarians, Theists, Deists & others. I've see quotations from these Founders that try to squeeze generic theism out of polytheistic pagan religions.
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Jonathan @ 7:19 PM..
perhaps the way the country has changed makes it appear so, or perhaps we've just been manipulated to think it's changed.. but either way, it was not the case back in the day..
America Was Founded on Judeo-Christian Principles!
Biblical Principles: Basis for America's Laws
ps: there are more research
links available via the net..
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BG,
ReplyDeleteThe problem is your appeals to authority are riddled with factual errors and outright distortions. Warning: David Barton, William Federer, David Gibbs, and Peter Marshall are not credible scholarly sources.
For instance: "Researchers have found his personal daily prayer book called The Daily Sacrifice, the prayers of which clearly show that he was no Deist."
What "researchers" have actually done is debunk the Daily Sacrifice as a fraud (a fact that Peter Marshall, has recently had to concede.)
I'll appeal to my own authority and suggest you and others who are interested study my blogs on why America was not founded on "Christian principles" in the sense that "Christian America" advocates argue.
If you want me to refer you to a good specific post of mine -- I have thousands -- compiling scholarship that debunks the sources you offered try this one by Dr. Gregg Frazer who a conservative evangelical who teaches at one of the most well respected fundamentalist liberal arts colleges.
ReplyDeleteI'll reproduce the relevant part. Let me preface that by noting the Bible says a lot of things, you could always "read in" biblical principles after the fact into practically anything, arguably the post I am writing right now. The question is whether the "Founding Fathers" actually purposefully relied on those ideas when constructing Founding era documents. And the answer is they, for the most part, did not. As Dr. Frazer writes:
The fact that some parts of the Declaration and/or Constitution are not in conflict with verses in the Bible does not mean that the Bible was the source. This is especially important when — as in the case of the Declaration and the Constitution — the authors claim other sources, but do not claim the Bible as a source!
In a May 8, 1825 letter to Henry Lee, Jefferson identifies his sources for the Declaration’s principles. He names as sources: Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, and (Algernon) Sidney — he does not mention the Bible. Then again, the terminology in the Declaration is not specifically Christian — or even biblical, with the exception of “Creator.” The term “providence” is never used of God in the Bible, nor are “nature’s God” or “Supreme Judge of the world” ever used in the Bible.
In the hundreds of pages comprising Madison’s notes on the constitutional convention (and those of the others who kept notes), there is no mention of biblical passages/verses in the debates/discussions on the various parts and principles of the Constitution. They mention Rome, Sparta, German confederacies, Montesquieu, and a number of other sources — but no Scripture verses.
In The Federalist Papers, there is no mention of biblical sources for any of the Constitution’s principles, either — one would think they could squeeze them in among the 85 essays if they were, indeed, the sources; especially since the audience was common men who were familiar with, and had respect for, the Bible. The word “God” is used twice — and one of those is a reference to the pagan gods of ancient Greece. “Almighty” is used twice and “providence” three times — but neither is ever used in connection with any constitutional principle or influence. The Bible is not mentioned.
As for freedom and liberty in the Bible, it is always SPIRITUAL freedom/liberty — as a look at the verses you’ve listed IN CONTEXT shows. That is NOT to say that political liberty is an anti-biblical concept — it’s just not a biblical one. Arguing that it is a “Calvinist” concept does not make it a biblical one, either. The “disciples” of Calvin did not write inspired revelation.
The key Founders (J. Adams, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Hamilton, Wilson, & G. Morris) — those most responsible for the founding documents — were religious, but not Christians. They believed that religion was essential to produce the morality that a free society required, but that any religion would suffice. Their religious belief was a mixture of Protestantism, natural religion, and rationalism — with rationalism as the trump card and decisive factor. They retained elements of Christianity, but rejected the elements of Christianity (and of natural religion) that they considered irrational. However: of the ten CORE beliefs of Christianity (those shared by all of the major Protestant denominations of the day (and by the Catholics), they held to only one (or two, in some cases). Their belief system was, as I have termed it, theistic rationalism.
If the view of Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin that any/all religions were valid paths to God and that any/all religions would suffice to produce the morality needed was a “minority opinion” among the Founders, why were they chosen to write the philosophical (you say religious) document (Declaration)?
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ReplyDeletethanks, but i'm not into that stuff anymore (lol)..
The Roots of American Government
"The only assurance of our nation's safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion." --Abraham Lincoln
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are the gift of God?" --Thomas Jefferson
"We have staked the whole of our political institutions on the capacity of mankind to govern themselves according to the ten commandments of God." --James Madison
"America was not founded by religionists nor on any religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ." --Patrick Henry
"To destroy a people, you must first sever their roots" --Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Biblical law in America
[This article presents a sort of apologia, an apology for greater awareness of biblical law in connection with the study of American legal history and the underlying fabric of the common law.]
Judges discuss biblical roots of U.S. law
[Murphy spoke about how English common law, which was adopted by the American colonies, was derived from the Bible.]
American law's biblical roots
alls i have to say is, they sure did a good job of scrubbing the net of documents pertaining to our laws being rooted in the Bible.. guess i'd have to make a trip to the Library to find what used to be available.. at any rate, like i said, that was then, this in now..
btw: i believe Obama has every intention of wedding church/mosque & state, i also believe it's his HOPE to CHANGE the US Constitution as well, go figure..
The Separation of Church and State: Have We Gone Too Far?
oh yeah, did you know Muslims discovered America??
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Try posting ACTUAL quotations from America's Founding Fathers, not bogus ones like the following:
ReplyDelete"We have staked the whole of our political institutions on the capacity of mankind to govern themselves according to the ten commandments of God." --James Madison
"America was not founded by religionists nor on any religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ." --Patrick Henry
Google "unconfirmed quotations" and "David Barton" and you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Biblical law in America
ReplyDelete[This article presents a sort of apologia, an apology for greater awareness of biblical law in connection with the study of American legal history and the underlying fabric of the common law.]
I've skimmed through the article and have dealt with its claims in my post here. Bottom line: America's planting (colonial period) is not the same as its Founding (1776-1800 or so). Particularly on religion, the two approaches were vastly different. The "Planting's" approach to incorporating "biblical law" into civil law rightly recognized NO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM because the BIBLE does not recognize RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
For instance, your article and my post reference the Puritan’s Massachusetts Body of Liberties (1641) — what a Christian civil code looked like before the Enlightenment and Church & State were separated — reads like an American Talibanic code. Here are some examples of their capital laws:
94. Capitall Laws.
1.
(Deut. 13. 6, 10. Deut. 17. 2, 6. Ex. 22.20)
If any man after legall conviction shall have or worship any other god, but the lord god, he shall be put to death.
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(Ex. 22. 18. Lev. 20. 27. Dut. 18. 10.)
If any man or woeman be a witch, (that is hath or consulteth with a familiar spirit,) They shall be put to death.
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(Lev. 24. 15,16.)
If any person shall Blaspheme the name of god, the father, Sonne or Holie Ghost, with direct, expresse, presumptuous or high handed blasphemie, or shall curse god in the like manner, he shall be put to death.
This was the totally antithesis of what America's Founders tried to accomplish in guaranteeing all men of all religions an "unalienable right" to worship freely. And let me conclude with some "high handed blasphemy" by John Adams, militant unitarian that he was, that would have gotten him executed by his Puritan ancestors:
"An incarnate God!!! An eternal, self-existent, omnipresent omniscient Author of this stupendous Universe, suffering on a Cross!!! My Soul starts with horror, at the Idea, and it has stupified the Christian World. It has been the Source of almost all of the Corruptions of Christianity."
-- John Adams to John Quincy Adams, March 28, 1816
And:
"If I understand the Doctrine, it is, that if God the first second or third or all three together are united with or in a Man, the whole Animal becomes a God and his Mother is the Mother of God.
"It grieves me: it shocks me to write in this stile upon a subject the most adorable that any finite Intelligence can contemplate or embrace: but if ever Mankind are to be superior to the Brutes, sacerdotal Impostures must be exposed."
-- John Adams to Francis van der Kemp, October 23, 1816.
"The Trinity was carried in a general council by one vote against a quaternity; the Virgin Mary lost an equality with the Father, Son, and Spirit only by a single suffrage."
-- John Adams to Benjamin Rush, June 12, 1812.
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ReplyDelete"quotes" were meant to prove nothing other than the fact that every US President inextricably linked God to Country..
to deny Judeo Christian principle's were not an intricate part in the founding of America is like saying butter doesn't from a cow..
oh yeah, aside from Muslims discovering America, guess what else Islam contributed to America..
Judeo-Christian-Islamic Values?
[You may not have been aware of it until now, but you’re living in the land of Judeo-Christian-Islamic values. That unwieldy phrase is being bandied about by Muslim advocacy groups including the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Muslim American Society and the American Muslim Council. Agha Saeed of the American Muslim Alliance recommends that this phrase trip off tongues “in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians and comments made in churches, synagogues and other places.”]
anyone else see where an Obama Presidency is headed?? elect Obama, welcome to burqa's, slavery, and of course there will be no homosexuals living in America..
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I never denied early Presidents engaged in a lot of God talk; indeed I've provided evidence here to the contrary. I do deny they were orthodox Trinitarian Christians and "founded" America's public documents chiefly on "biblical principles."
ReplyDeleteDo me a favor and find me one instance of America's Founders using the term "Judeo-Christian" or making some kind of exclusive connection between Judaism and Christianity alone. During America's Founding era, Jews took their rights along with pagans, Muslims and infidels. I've given you a quotation, which I'll gladly repeat here, of Adams connecting Christianity with both Judaism and Islam, under the rubric of "religion" in general. This is what Dr. Frazer means when he writes America's Founders were "religious" but not "Christian."
“It has pleased the Providence of the first Cause, the Universal Cause, that Abraham should give religion not only to Hebrews but to Christians and Mahomitans, the greatest part of the modern civilized world.”
– John Adams to M.M. Noah, July 31, 1818.
"Judeo-Christian-Islamic" values. Heh. Maybe I should email CAIR and share with them my Adams quotation to give them more ammo.
ReplyDeleteThe term of art I prefer is "Judeo-Christian-Islamo-Deistic-Unitarian" values.
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ReplyDelete[I do deny they were orthodox Trinitarian Christians and "founded" America's public documents chiefly on "biblical principles."]
that's fine with me because no such claim was made.. but the fact still remains that jurisprudence is inherent in the Bible..
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ReplyDeleteI wonder when does Barack Obama believe you were ever “just a Christian nation” and when does Barack Obama believe you stopped being “just a Christian nation”.
The “...government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion...”, according to Article 11 of the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796, and passed by the United States Congress.
Article VI, Clause 2 of the U.S.A. Constitution states: “This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land...”.
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ReplyDeletedon't believe anyone mentioned the US Constitution or any other document as being founded on Christianity or any other religion..
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Some people are taking this way too seriously. Why should words completely crumple your day when they don't even affect you...America never has been a Christian nation, nor will it ever be, so there is absolutely nothing at risk regarding Christianity's status in this country. America was based on the principle of freedom, and if it hadn't been, we wouldn't be enforcing the seperation of church and state.
ReplyDeleteLOL obaaabaaa's ass is showing under that slip!
ReplyDeleteI have Known that Obama is the Anti Christ for a while look at the pyirmaid on a american dollar bill with the eye above it
ReplyDeletepyirmaid's only exsist in the muslium region of the world and
obama has come from a Muslium blood line and the world change
is the new Jersulam not the white house in washington world change is going to come from a Jewish leader not a leader with
muslium blood lines in his family who people call the Messiah of
change to the world as on the New's reports no mistake Obama is
Anti-Christ Evil as Hell here to commit Hertrosities against hummanity and the innocent