It also won't calm the fears of Americans who are still absolutely shocked by the video clips of Reverend Wright g*ddaming America from the pulpit...
These same Americans won't likely vote for a politician who they think will bring those same sick beliefs to the White House.
TIME Magazine reporter, Steven Gray, who attended the Trinity United Church of Christ services this weekend, says that Trinity UCC is the typical black church:
Steven Gray says this about Obama's decision to leave the hateful church:
"I didn't pick up any resentment (from TUCC members that the Obama's had left the church). I think there is a great deal of disappointment that Senator Obama and his family have essentially been forced for political reasons to leave their spiritual home for the last 20 years. It's a deeply, deeply painful thing certainly for the Obama's but also for the church."Related... It should be noted that Obama's anti-American church has received $15 million in grants from g*ddam America.
..."I'm sure that a lot of things that were said in Trinity to the ears of those who are not familiar with the nuances of the black American experience would find them pretty harsh but I think if you walk into most black churches in America it's the sort of thing that you are going to hear fairly often. It's not something people are excusing but it is part of the black American experience."
UPDATE: Here is the transcript from Barack Obama's speech the other night when he threw his church of 20 years under the bus with his mentor and his ailing white grandmother.
Obama never did denounce his hateful church:
Question: You said your decision to leave the church was deeply personal but there are people who are going to say this is a politically motivated flip flop, so that combined with this kind of increasingly heated language with John McCain, does that run counter, does that threaten to run counter to your message of this new type of politics?The fact that Barack Obama would not denounce his church says that he still approves of this racist faith community. In fact it was this anti-white racism that drew Obama to the church in the first place.
BO: Well, hold on a second. You’re kind of glomming a couple things on there that I’m not sure work.
Question: [inaudible] is it politically motivated? In the face of controversy you decided to leave your long term church?
BO: I mean look, you guys will pick over whatever we do. Right? I mean, that's what you do. I am sure there will be a whole host of opinions about it. I have described why I’m doing this. I suspect if you were in my shoes it seems plausible at least that you wouldn’t want your church experience to be a political circus. I think most American people will understand that and wouldn't want to subject their church to that either. If people have a different opinion about that than that’s their right. But I’ve described why Michelle and I made this decision. Bonnie?
Question: There are a lot of people who look at your church, they rightly or wrongly they look at it and see a controversial church based on what they see in the media, what have you. There will be a lot of people who are not going to be happy with the reason why you left which doesn't it appear as though you’re denouncing the church? How do you …
BO: I am not denouncing the church. I am not interested in people who want me to denounce the church because it's not a church worthy of denouncing. And so if they’ve seen caricatures of the church and accept those caricatures despite my insistence that's not what the church is about, then there's not much I can do about it.
This won't go over well with most levelheaded Americans in November.
UPDATE: Karl offers a different opinion at Protein Wisdom.
I see two explanations here:
ReplyDelete1 (more likely) BO is in fact rational politician and he conciously decided to "bet the black horse". He want's to get almost all black votes, so he hardly denounced Wright and didn't denounce Trinity at all. He calculates that with media spin and "Messiah" halo over his head he'll get enough from other races anyway.
2 He's not cynical at all and really stands behind his ideas, though some of these happen to be ... black supermacy.
We need to add one more option.
ReplyDelete3) He is a complete utter idiot and buffoon, incompetent and brainwashed, still a child unable to view things skeptically and rationally. Misled by his elders and unable to form adult decisions. His political keepers tell him every move to make including this last one to leave the church.
While parts of that may be contained in #2, I think it needs breaking out for a more succinct look.
None of the three options are acceptable of a potential candidate to the office of President to set in a racist church for 20 years.
Any person with half a brain would consider withdrawing and going back to square one for a long review of their beliefs.
Ooops, almost forgot option 4.
4) He actually believes he is the messiah so many tell him he is.
"those who are not familiar with the nuances of the black American experience"
ReplyDeleteHa! I'm familiar with the "nuances" of a racist! A liar! And a false teacher!
Has nothing to do with color and everything to do with right and wrong. Did he every answer the real question Greta asked him?
"Do you know why Oprah left that church?"
Well Mr Gray? Can you answer instead of playing liberal spin? This is not about defending blacks or whites. It is about hatred, vile hatred being spewed forth by anti-semites like Farrackhan and his brother in crime "rev" Wright.
We all know why Oprah left. She couldn't stand all the hatred daily emanating from the vile mouth of Wright.
The real question is why Oprah still backed Obama after she knew he attended this church for 20 years.
The lies circulated by this church are important.
ReplyDeleteWhy has nobody asked Obama what he is going to do to counter the lie that the US invented AIDS for the purpose of committing genocide against people of color, worldwide?
This lie has had real consequences. Distrust and suspicion toward the government and HIV healthcare workers in particular has hampered our efforts to prevent the spread of HIV infection, in both South Africa and in the United States.
"Sizwe's Test" by Jonny Steinberg
The above is a novel, but the lies recorded in it are the ones that have been spread Trinity Church to black people in both the United States and Africa. The resultinn HIV infection rates, are real.
Valerie
The real issue about “Obama’s Church” is that there is vast number of whites in the US who never owned slaves, whose ancestors never owned slaves, whose ancestors did not even come to the US until long after slavery had been abolished, who have never discriminated against blacks, who think blacks are equal under the law, who have no issues with blacks, and have even been discriminated against in favor of blacks (victims of so-called “affirmative action”) who do not realize that a very large of number of blacks, including even highly educated, multi-millionaire blacks who are graduates of Columbia, Princeton and Harvard Law School, who do have an issue with the above described whites and which blacks feel the above described whites owe them big time for the wrongs that the above group of blacks perceives were committed against them or other blacks by whites, even though not the above group of whites.
ReplyDeleteTo put it in slightly different terms, there are a number of whites who are not racist and who incorrectly assume that blacks are not racist when, in fact, there are a large number of blacks who are racist, who when they sign “We shall overcome”, they don’t mean overcome injustice, they mean overcome whitey. Welcome to Obama’s Church - and Michelle’s Church.
The notion that TUCC is typical is crap. If you want the studies proving it -- and explaining why TIME is pushing the ooposite view -- start here at protein wisdom and dig into the links.
ReplyDeleteSorry to self-promote, but the lying smears black churchgoers.
"I suspect if you were in my shoes it seems plausible at least that you wouldn’t want your church experience to be a political circus. I think most American people will understand that and wouldn't want to subject their church to that either." by Obama
ReplyDeleteSo is that why Obama is quitting his church, because he actually thinks people will leave his church alone because he quits it now. His church was a political circus long before Obama was running for President. His church is under the microscope because of what 'his' church preaches, teaches, and spreads through the black community.
Now it is understandable why Black Americans still continue to support Obama when their churches are no different - Blame the white man; how is that working for you?
I hear you Karl, but why is it if Trinity Church isn't a typical black church in America, that we are not hearing from all those black churches, which are different, denouncing Obama's church and their beliefs. I've heard Reverend Manning's rant on what he thinks about Obama and his church, but his sermons should be more concise and less left-field, so people can understand the hidden meanings. Perhaps black churches that are different should speak up, but they don't. Let's face it; they either want a black President no matter what or they are too afraid of other black folk who want a black President and will do no matter what to make sure that happens.
Joanne,
ReplyDeleteThere were some black church leaders who did speak up at the time, but were given short shrift by a media in the tank for Obama. In April, after Obama "distanced" himself from Wright, there were a spate of stories where more black preachers talked about it -- with some admitting they initially kept quiet to help Obama -- all of which can be found at the links in the pw piece I linked. Those who kept quiet deserve some blame here, but their congregations should not necessarily be broadbrushed the way TIME seems bent on doing. TIME is a repeat offender on this, even assigning Amy Sullivan (a well-known member of the Religious Left) to do a story claiming Wright and TUCC were typical.
Gray's answer is hilarious. It is the bumper sticker answer, "You wouldn't understand. It's a black thing."
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ReplyDeleteas always, the irony lies in the truth..
Colorism: Black on Black Racism
Black-on-black crime: What can we do to stop it?
BLACK ON BLACK CRIME STATISTICS
Black Slave owners
Muslim Black slavery
{please listen carefully & ask why the US is the only country scorned, when the US is responsible for the procurement of a lesser percentage of slaves throughout history..}
Black Liberation Theology
excerpt:
[Cone's Black Liberation Theology is as follows:
"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."]
New Black Panther Party
Islam and Black Liberation Theology
excerpt:
[The reason for so many parallels between Islam and BLT is that they are both based upon the same principles—submission and duality. Since Islam views white America as an enemy, BLT see Islam as the "enemy of my enemy" and therefore is a friend. Witness the award that Rev. Wright gave Louis Farrakhan as an outstanding person. This comradeship is temporary. When the time comes and Islam is fully ascendant, BLT will find out that Islam has been using them, just as Islam uses the Left. In the end, Islam will annihilate BLT for the simple reason that Islam demands political submission from ALL, not the just the whites.]
of course there's much more.. non of which excuses white culpability.. but neither should white culpability excuse black culpability.. nor the Muslims culpability in creating the slave trade, which is still in practice to this day..
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ReplyDeleteKarl @ 7:18 AM..
thanks for the link..
Joanne @ 9:39 AM..
re: [..we are not hearing from all those black churches]
same reason we don't hear from so many anti-Islamist Muslims.. Karl @ 9:52AM is correct.. the media silences the opposition & propagates the lies in order to form the mass perception of the public..
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Karl and bg - I too was thinking that those black churches who wish to speak up against Obama's church are not being given air time to do so - now that is typical if anything is. I certainly do not paint all church-going black people with the same brush; I've heard many a good Christian black person speak about their beliefs to know the wide brush is not applicable.
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